Does your pigment black ink run on plain paper when it gets wet?

[lin]

Lin,
The place where you parked your photos has some abusive popups. Some locked up my computer momentarily by trying to spread the links continuously.

In the future, you can place your photos right here on the forum with no hassle. At the top of the starting page, click on the link named Upload and you can enter photos there and take the link you are given and put it in your post where you want the photo to appear. You will have no connected popups or other trash links or risk of virus entries.

Thanks for joining and contributing to the forum. Your inputs are always wanted and this recent post of yours was very good.

canonfodder

Hi Thanks for your feedback on the linked photos.

Popups? Once the links are clicked, it will open another windows internet explorer and display the photos. Are there further popups coming from these linked photos once you are redirected? Can you try the links again to see if there are popups? Strange...I don't get any these popups coming from this linked at all. I even disabled my popup blocker from MS Internet Setting & disable my firewall. And when I clicked on these links which redirect me to the photos hosting site, there are no popups at all.

Do revert if there are such popups and I will change where I host my photos then. Thanks again.

 

[Grandad35]

Do revert if there are such popups and I will change where I host my photos then. Thanks again.

I got a very aggressive ad that hijacked the original window (no photo - only an ad). To get away from it, I had to kill Firefox (popups are blocked). Once I see this type of behavior from a site, I never try it again. That hosting site needs to learn some manners.

 

[lin]

Where did you get your 3rd party ink from and what brand?

What model Canon printer do you have?

According to Canon:

PGI-5 Pigment Black Ink is used ONLY For:
- Plain Paper Test (monochrome and grey scale)
- Envelopes
- Transparencies
- Duplex Printing On Plain Paper
- Camera Direct Printing on Plain Paper

CLI-8 Dye-Based Color Inks are used anytime color is printed and is used exclusively for:
- All Photo Paper types (including when Duplex printing)
- High Resolution Paper
- T-shirt Transfers
- CD-R's
- All Borderless Printing, on both PhotoPaper and Plain Paper


"My 3rd party refilled black pigment kind of bleeds badly when it's overlay with colored dye ink on normal, ordinary A4 plain paper."

Unless you are printing color only then refeeding the page back in to do just text, I thought Canon would use dye-based black ink when "overlay" printing onto the color images you have as your example.

Your discussion of pure pigment versus mixed pigment and dye for black ink leads me to suspect the specific manufacturer/supplier of your ink. For instance, Hobbicolors has stated in correspondence with me that the mixed ink will smear when highlited and you should use the pure pigment only black ink instead.

Hobbicolor ink is excellent ink, but you need to choose the PGI-5 ink that fits your needs best. It can be a little confusing because the pure pigment is referred to as "PIGMENT black" while the mixed pigment and dye-based ink is called "pigmentED black". Identification alphanumerics or name on the bottle should help you to determine which ink you have. A call or email to the merchant that sold you the ink might resolve the issue quickly too.

Hi My Canon printer uses these cartridges canon CLI-8C(blue), CLI-Y(Yellow), CLI-8M(Magenta), CLI-8BK & PGI-5BK. For the above pictures, I was printing using default setting, Plain paper, Standard Print Quality, Auto Color/Intensite and the rest of other setting remains default.

Thanks for correcting me that these text in the pictures are actually being printed using CLI-8 Dye-Based Color instead of pigment black ink. So I guessed it's the black dye ink that i should explore of changing since it bleeds badly when it printed over colored background.

 

[lin]

Do revert if there are such popups and I will change where I host my photos then. Thanks again.

I got a very aggressive ad that hijacked the original window (no photo - only an ad). To get away from it, I had to kill Firefox (popups are blocked). Once I see this type of behavior from a site, I never try it again. That hosting site needs to learn some manners.

Thanks for reverting. Didn't expect and aware of the popups from this site. I have re-linked the above pictures at post #18 to those stored to nifty-stuff. Now I have to find a new photo hosting site.

 

[stratman]

Lin:

What brand of aftermarket 3rd party ink are you using and where did you purchase it?

What brand of paper are you using. Please include the details such as its weight.

Some types of plain paper will wick the liquid dye-based inks significantly and cause the bleeding issues you have detailed. Have you tried other brands of paper, including paper designed specifically for use with inkjet printers?

I have used various brands - Staples, Hammermil, HP, Xerox and Navigator - with good results. They have all been either specifically for inkjet printers or were "multipurpose" (the Xerox paper, which I normally use in my laser printer and fax machine) I don't recall any significant bleeding of ink like your problem.

 

[Tin Ho]

I had similar ink smearing problems Lin experienced. In my case I was actually using OEM ink and cartridges. The problem can be improved by using better quality papers. You just have to experiment and find the right paper to reduce the smearing. I had the problem with some cheap copy machine paper. My solution to this problem is to print on Canon brand high resolution inkjet paper. The ink used will be all dye ink from CLI8 bk, c, m, y ink cartridges. No ink from PGI5 is used. The result is simply terrific. The colors are extremely saturated and there is no smearing possible at all. If your print has text mixed with graphics the best result in my experience is is to print on papers such as Canon high resolution paper or other brands of coated inkjet papers. It gives you the most saturated colors and deep dark black text with no smearing. Pigmented black ink in this case does not offer any advantage so you really do not want to use it.

 

[lin]

Hi stratman,Tin Ho

I am not too sure if I will be welcomed to participate here after I told u guys here that I am from overseas. Afterall, majority here seems to be from the US or other European counterpart and the inks u guys normally have accessed to are Hobbicolors, Image Specialists, Formulabs, G&G, MIS etc. Contributions of post from members who uses the same inks source as u guys did will render them to be more useful then from brand of inks that are different/not the usual from what u guys normally used.

I have no idea what is the 3rd party ink as here usually sellers repackage the ink they purchased. They may or may not get their ink from the same China manufacturers as your Oversea resellers counterpart did.

I am using this 100gsm paper which is said to be suitable for inkjet printing as well.

I don't think u can see the wording from this picture clearly. So here is the Product Specification from the website: http://www.paperone.com/product/OtherBrands_Copy_Laser.asp?rid=28

This paper is expensive. I saw the pricing wrongly and only realized that when I was paying at the cashier. It cost twice the money for this 100gsm paper from the normal 80gsm. Not slightly more than the cost of 80gsm but twice the value. Oh well...... I tried to comfort myself while standing at the cashier that at least this 100gsm paper will decrease the amount of the paper getting all warpped up when printing double-sided with inkjet.

Now my feelings just skyrock to the bottom. I still have 480 sheets of this 100gsm paper unused as I just bought it recently along the same time when I purchased the refill ink. So there is plenty of this refilled black pigment & dye inks left. I am trying to cut cost and save money which is why I now turn to refill ink and use normal plain paper instead of coated paper which is expensive here. It seems I have to spend more in the end. This is so disheartening.

 

[Smile]

Hi stratman,Tin Ho

I am not too sure if I will be welcomed to participate here after I told u guys here that I am from overseas. Afterall, majority here seems to be from the US or other European counterpart and the inks u guys normally have accessed to are Hobbicolors, Image Specialists, Formulabs, G&G, MIS etc. Contributions of post from members who uses the same inks source as u guys did will render them to be more useful then from brand of inks that are different/not the usual from what u guys normally used.

I have no idea what is the 3rd party ink as here usually sellers repackage the ink they purchased. They may or may not get their ink from the same China manufacturers as your Oversea resellers counterpart did.

I am using this 100gsm paper which is said to be suitable for inkjet printing as well.
[url]http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/uploads/thumbs/2740_100gsmpaperone.jpg[/url]
I don't think u can see the wording from this picture clearly. So here is the Product Specification from the website: http://www.paperone.com/product/OtherBrands_Copy_Laser.asp?rid=28

This paper is expensive. I saw the pricing wrongly and only realized that when I was paying at the cashier. It cost twice the money for this 100gsm paper from the normal 80gsm. Not slightly more than the cost of 80gsm but twice the value. Oh well...... I tried to comfort myself while standing at the cashier that at least this 100gsm paper will decrease the amount of the paper getting all warpped up when printing double-sided with inkjet.

Now my feelings just skyrock to the bottom. I still have 480 sheets of this 100gsm paper unused as I just bought it recently along the same time when I purchased the refill ink. So there is plenty of this refilled black pigment & dye inks left. I am trying to cut cost and save money which is why I now turn to refill ink and use normal plain paper instead of coated paper which is expensive here. It seems I have to spend more in the end. This is so disheartening.

I think it is so expensive because you can print on both sides, I recently tried skyhorse 90gsm coated paper that was surprisingly good, it even outperformed way more expensive HP coated paper. The prices were very good 100 sheets cost about 6.5$ even compared to HP coated roll paper that I uses to cut to desired size it's still very cheap.

The reproducible color gamut is a bit larger with skyhorse, can't tell any long term color fading because I bought it recently.

 

[lin]

I think it is so expensive because you can print on both sides, I recently tried skyhorse 90gsm coated paper that was surprisingly good, it even outperformed way more expensive HP coated paper. The prices were very good 100 sheets cost about 6.5$ even compared to HP coated roll paper that I uses to cut to desired size it's still very cheap.

The reproducible color gamut is a bit larger with skyhorse, can't tell any long term color fading because I bought it recently.

http://www.tianma.net.cn/images/product_photopaper_show_1.jpg

Just to clarify. My above mentioned 100gsm paper is not a coated paper. It's just ordinary A4 plain paper which is in 100gsm. That's all. But it's cost twice as much compared to 80gsm which I only realised during payment. Obviously for 100gsm, it will cost a bit more but I didn't expect it to be twice the value of the 80gsm.

Here, if it's coated paper, it would cost 5 times for the same amount of realm of 500 sheets of the 100gsm which I purchased. And it would be 10 times the cost of 80gsm (500 sheets). So it's not possible for me to buy 500 sheets of coated paper.

 

[stratman]

lin:

I can't speak for anyone else, but, I welcome you and your input on this forum.

I am unfamiliar with your brand of paper. Because of the extreme costs of your paper locally, is it possible for you to order off the internet from a European or Asian company with paper and ink known to fellow posters in this forum?

Did the 80 gsm paper cause this problem as well? Has any paper worked well for you?

Can you trade for or get some different paper from a friend or associate and try another brand?

Did your issues begin only after you switched to this particular 3rd party ink, or, were you using a different brand of 3rd party ink that worked well previously?