So why buy a PRO-100? (Vs. older printers)

[Paul Verizzo]

Just treading water always checking out Canon's high end offerings.

Comparing the PRO-100 to the 9000 MK II and some earlier 8 ink offerings, this is what I see:

PRO-100: The inks are now Chromalife+. Is this crucial in the real world, is the difference significant? where is the evidence? You get wireless connections, which of course can be had via a simple print server for $50 or so. The new CL-42 carts hold 8ml of ink vs 13 of the old CLI-8. I can't find anything that implies or encourages that the new cart can be refilled, even on major refiller websites. The picoliter droplet size is 3, vs 2 on the 9000. In area, that's over a 2:1 difference.

9000 MK II, still for sale new after seven? years! Merely Chromalife, no "+", more ink capacity, known ease of refilling, finer droplet size.

I'm all ears, but I fail to see any reason to buy a PRO-100 over the old 9000. Especially at the same list price!

 

[turbguy]

You buy it for less than $50, delivered to your door, and with 50free sheets of great 13 x 19 Canon paper. No print server required!

 

[stratman]

The new CL-42 carts hold 8ml of ink vs 13 of the old CLI-8. I can't find anything that implies or encourages that the new cart can be refilled, even on major refiller websites.

It is a good thing you have discovered this forum because you have been led astray.

The CLI-42 cartridge is for all intents and purposes the same as the CLI-8 cartridge except for the chip. Swapping the CLI-42 chip onto a CLI-8 cartridge is a known refiller's option. This option allows for the critical avoidance of the CLI-42 Yellow cartridge which, unless it is thoroughly flushed (not as easy as expected) before refilling then you will get a gelling of ink in the cartridge and print head and cause early print head malfunction. This phenomena has been named "Yellow Gello" by The Hat and is not trivial. I recommend you not use the CL-42 Yellow cartridge that comes with the printer AT ALL and go straight to using a flushed and then refilled CLI-8 Yellow cartridge that you have swapped the CLI-42 Yellow chip onto.

Read more about the easy refilling, great printing Pro-100 at http://www.precisioncolors.com/PC42.html. Read through all the tabs for best effect.

FYI - the owner of Precision Colors is forum member Mikling. If you prefer to purchase from Europe then look at http://www.octoink.co.uk/ which is owned forum member websnail who also has a similar advisory about the CLI-42 Yellow cartridge (http://www.octoink.co.uk/kb/questions/186/CLI-42Y+(Yellow)+Cartridge+-+Special+Considerations). These are trusted etailors well known to the forum with quality inks and refilling products.

 

[RogerB]

Just treading water always checking out Canon's high end offerings.
I'm all ears, but I fail to see any reason to buy a PRO-100 over the old 9000. Especially at the same list price!

Doesn't the Pro-100 have an extra two grey inks? Makes for significantly better B&W prints.

 

[The Hat]

Just treading water always checking out Canon's high end offerings.

Comparing the PRO-100 to the 9000 MK II and some earlier 8 ink offerings, this is what I see:
I'm all ears, but I fail to see any reason to buy a PRO-100 over the old 9000. Especially at the same list price!

@Paul Verizzo you must have been out of the country for some time to have missed the discounting of the Pro 100 by Canon in the major retail stores across the US.

The differences between these too printers are there if you care to investigate a little further that you have already.

It’s a bigger faster printer with better paper handling improved print head and inks with added colours it has much better colour control in the print driver and of course newer inks which extends longevity. (Wi-Fi you already mentioned)

There are many more improvements in this model but I reckon the biggest improvement is in the price, you can buy a half dozen Pro 100’s for the price of just one 9000 and if that is not an incentive to get a couple of the printer then I don’t know what is.

Now if you don’t want to avail of these great offers from Canon that is purely down to your own bios against upgrading to a better machine and don’t be put off by what you’ve heard about the cartridges because they are exactly the same cartridges as in the 9000 no different

 

[Paul Verizzo]

You buy it for less than $50, delivered to your door, and with 50free sheets of great 13 x 19 Canon paper. No print server required!

Well, that IS a hell of a good reason! Although as Canon plans, you'll spend a fortune on ink cartridges! "No print server required," of course, presumes you want/need one. For me, it's USB, K.I.S.S. One less thing to go wrong.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

OK, all, you've answered my question! Even with overkill!

I did miss the extra black cartridges, shame on me. That leads to a further question, why? At least on a dye ink? No one has complained about the single cart B&W ability of the 9000, quite the opposite and also per my experience. (As long as set to Grayscale Printing.)

WHOA, NELLIE BELL! (If you are old enough and from the USA, you'll recognize that from an old TV show.) I just went to the Canon website to check 9000 vs. 10 printing speeds, and the 9000 is no longer up there as a current model. It was only three days ago!

Here's why NOT to buy one: Print Speed. Per the Canon website, an 8x10 with border will take 3min, 35 seconds on the 10. On the 9000 MK II, it's 47 seconds. That's a 4.5:1 difference. Since the 10 has a few more nozzles, not sure why that's the case. But there you are.

I've no reason to buy one, even at this price. (Which also makes me very suspicious as to why Canon is doing this. A 90% discount?) I'm perfectly happy with my 9000 MK II. No "Yellow Jello," ha ha.....

Ah, well, I wonder if the 10 will have a six year run like the 9000 MK II did.

 

[stratman]

Whoa Nellie is right. Now you're talking about the Canon Pro-10 pigment ink printer. Is this a typo or did you change the topic?

 

[mikem65d]

@Paul Verizzo you must have been out of the country for some time to have missed the discounting of the Pro 100 by Canon in the major retail stores across the US.



There are many more improvements in this model but I reckon the biggest improvement is in the price, you can buy a half dozen Pro 100’s for the price of just one 9000 and if that is not an incentive to get a couple of the printer then I don’t know what is.

Hmmm, hope no one tells my wife
If you were on this side of the pond i'd give you a nice Xmas gift.............only cost 48 bones

 

[RogerB]

Just treading water always checking out Canon's high end offerings.

Comparing the PRO-100 to the 9000 MK II and some earlier 8 ink offerings, this is what I see:

PRO-100: The inks are now Chromalife+. Is this crucial in the real world, is the difference significant? where is the evidence? You get wireless connections, which of course can be had via a simple print server for $50 or so. The new CL-42 carts hold 8ml of ink vs 13 of the old CLI-8. I can't find anything that implies or encourages that the new cart can be refilled, even on major refiller websites. The picoliter droplet size is 3, vs 2 on the 9000. In area, that's over a 2:1 difference.

9000 MK II, still for sale new after seven? years! Merely Chromalife, no "+", more ink capacity, known ease of refilling, finer droplet size.

I'm all ears, but I fail to see any reason to buy a PRO-100 over the old 9000. Especially at the same list price!

If you're really interested, Aardenburg Imaging is testing both the Chromalife and the Chromalife+ ink sets.Their results show that the "+" version is a lot better than the original for light fading. Their Conservation Display Rating lower limit has jumped from 3 to at least 22 Megalux hours. Seems like a good reason to upgrade if you are interested in print longevity, but of course these numbers are completely irrelevant if you're a refiller.

As for the B&W performance I think you will find quite a number of complaints about prints looking "too red" in artificial (tungsten) light. Poor colour constancy is a known problem with grey tones produced by mixing CMY dyes. The two grey inks in the Pro-100 pretty well eliminate this problem.