My old HP OfficeJet Pro K8600 wide format printer

[doane2u]

• Comparing it to what I have been happy with my HP Office Jet Pro K8600:
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• I would say.. Eco tank or similar but not a necessity if I the ink is reasonable or replaceable
• 13x19 or at least 11x14 Tabloid
• No need for a scanner as I have a high quality Epson Perfection V600 Photo.. it's also old but still works perfectly, its very fast and has very high resolution. It also has a fairly large scan bed at 9x12 and has a back lit attachment for slides and transparencies that I still find useful. And I can place larger documents across the top and scan them in sections.
• No high volume, but I would like a decent speed... maybe at least about 10s for a medium color quality letter size.. that was about the speed of my old HP and I was satisfied with it.
• My HP was only three colors + black but it actually printed very good vibrant color prints. It was rated at 1200x1200 and 4800x1200 on photo papers and I was satisfied with that quality and I think they were dye based with pigment black?
• The two print heads on my HP never needed to be replaced in all these years, so don't know if replaceable heads is that big a deal unless the printer gets up above $300?
• I occasionally print on thick cardstock, so around 110 lb or 200g/m2?
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  Anyway, from what I've seen I think my best bet is the Canon Pixma iP8720 at around $220 13x19 5 inks and they are fairly reasonable at about $60 for an XL black + four colors, but it can take after market inks, unlike the Epsons now.
  
  Up from that is the Canon Pixma Pro 200 at around $550, but I don't want to spend that much.

 

[thebestcpu]

Sounds like a suitable replacement for your HP K8600.
The Canon Pixma iP8720 also has a pigment black and dye-based color ink cartridges.
The only thing to check is what card thickness you want supported. What I found online was this:

The PIXMA iP8720 can use plain paper that is 17 to 28 lb (64 to 105 g /m2) (except for Canon genuine paper), and non-Canon genuine specialty paper that is up to 53 lb (200 g /m2). We do not recommend using paper that is lighter or heavier than these paper weights in the printer, as they may jam or do damage to the printer.​

So, if you want heavier card stock, you will want to look for something different.
Hope that helps
John Wheeler

 

[doane2u]

The specs I found also call out 350g/m2 93 lb with the manual feed.. I think that will work
This was on the Canon website, but hard to find:

Paper Weight / Thickness​

You can use paper in the following weight ranges.

• Rear Tray: From 17 to 28 lb (64 to 105 g /m2) (plain paper except for Canon genuine paper)
  * You can use non-Canon genuine specialty paper that is up to 53 lb (200 g /m2).
  Do not use heavier or lighter paper (except for Canon genuine paper), as it could jam in the printer.
  
• Manual Feed Tray: From 4 to 23.6 mil (0.1 to 0.6 mm) (up to 93 lb (350 g /m2))
  Do not use paper thicker or heavier than this, as it could jam in the printer.

 

[thebestcpu]

The specs I found also call out 350g/m2 93 lb with the manual feed.. I think that will work
This was on the Canon website, but hard to find:

Paper Weight / Thickness​

You can use paper in the following weight ranges.

• Rear Tray: From 17 to 28 lb (64 to 105 g /m2) (plain paper except for Canon genuine paper)
  * You can use non-Canon genuine specialty paper that is up to 53 lb (200 g /m2).
  Do not use heavier or lighter paper (except for Canon genuine paper), as it could jam in the printer.
  
• Manual Feed Tray: From 4 to 23.6 mil (0.1 to 0.6 mm) (up to 93 lb (350 g /m2))
  Do not use paper thicker or heavier than this, as it could jam in the printer.

You might want to double check that. The only place I found the specs you mention are for the Pixma Pro-10 word for word at this link: https://support.usa.canon.com/kb/s/article/ART153073

Here is a link to a specific alert on what papers not to use in the ip8700 series printers (including the 8720, which is the North American version https://ij.manual.canon/ij/webmanual/Manual/W/iP8700 series/EN/BG/bg-loading1700.html

John Wheeler

 

[doane2u]

Thanks, John: my bad, damn... that was for the Pixma Pro 10, you're right, sorry.


Well, guess I'll have to live with it... I don't use really thick card stock very often anyway and I could always do a laminate. The thickest paper I use is 80 lb so I guess that is out, even on the manual feed

 

[thebestcpu]

Thanks, John: my bad, damn... that was for the Pixma Pro 10, you're right, sorry.


Well, guess I'll have to live with it... I don't use really thick card stock very often anyway and I could always do a laminate. The thickest paper I use is 80 lb so I guess that is out, even on the manual feed

I understand the disappointment. The bright side is you did not buy the printer with the wrong expectations or use unsupported thickness paper and cause problems in the printer. I’m sure you will be happy getting back to printing.
John Wheeler

 

[doane2u]

I screwed up... I ordered this on Amazon and it arrives tomorrow. I should have spent more time researching all of this. I have HP glossy and matte photo paper that are 240g and 230g/m2 and I won't be able to use them with this printer because it is maxed at 200g/m2 I also have that 80lb matte paper and Ink Jet film that is described as 4.5 mill and I won't be able to use it either... I may be returning this. I'm sort of amazed at its limitation on paper weights. Now what?

 

[doane2u]

I should have spent more time checking on the paper I commonly use... I've got more respect for that old HP k8600 now, it handled all of these paper weights, even the thin inkjet film and I even printed on drafting vellum.. along with the heavy 80lb paper and even thicker card stock. I'm going to return the Canon, they should have had more info on the sale site. I won't open it, now I've got to find something else. *%#*!

 

[thebestcpu]

What a hassle. Here is one worth considering, though a bit higher in price. They can be had as renewed/refurbished with a 1-year warranty for $480, yet you can't beat the ink cost. It can handle all the thicknesses of interest, yet it is always best to see what papers are supported, e.g., ICC profiles and settings. Here is the link to their renewal plan:
Epson ET - 8550 renewed price
The cost of ownership of the ink is great, yet with any larger, more capable printer, it takes more complex hardware, so the cost of repairs or replacement eventually would be higher. So, it's always a tradeoff.
So I cannot recommend it - just putting it out there for your consideration and your evaluation
John Wheeler

 

[doane2u]

Good find and a lot more robust than the Canon... I guess to get what I want I'm just going to have to spend more! How do you think this would compare to the Canon Pixma Pro 200s?
Oh well... out of stock, I missed it! %#@!