Ink cartridge chip for canon pixma pro-100

[jtoolman]

If I had and Extra 100 I would shop for another PRO-100 on Craigslist! Oh Yeah!!!
Joe

 

[industrialelectrician]

@industrialelectrician: Sorry to correct you on your first post (welcome by the way )... but...

We (OctoInkjet) received the CLI-42 units early morning, last Friday due to an established relationship with the manufacturer, one that was instrumental in getting these units developed in the first place.

No other resellers order shipped until yesterday/Monday (at the earliest) so I suspect you're mixing up pre-ordering with physical availability. Easy mistake to make but if anyone was expecting stock to be shipped out yesterday or today, we're the only ones physically doing it.




Right... that aside, I've started getting queries from concerned Pro-100 owners who have read half baked rumours of "fusible chips" and spinning that into a printer blow-out disaster.

I know where this has come from and I'm not surprised as the discussion thread itself was a confused mashup of discussion about the 550/551 (250/251), the CLI-42 and the potential new or pre-existing chip technology that could-be/has-been used to protect various products such as consumables.

Now, let's put this little nugget to bed... There's absolutely no reason to suspect the CLI-42 chips are in any way built with any kind of fuse or limiting device. The technology being used appears to be very well established from CLI-8/PGI-5 to the chips used in the 550/551 (250/251) carts. All use Circuit Board type chips and yes there's a new algorithm, but very little else. Even the re-use of the CLI-8 cartridge body speaks to the level of new investment that went into these or indeed the PRO-10 cartridges/chips.. ie: very little.

Ok, so without absolute confirmation from the designers at Canon it's going to be impossible to completely guarantee anything but I doubt if I'm the only one putting it at about 99% improbable.

The only way anyone is going to be sure it is to hold off and check back in 6 months time when the more prolific refillers with a Pro-100 have proven the point one way or the other.

Anyone care to place a £100 bet against me?*

*Red Cross gets the winnings

Sorry for the bit of misinformation. I thought I would add my two cents worth to the discussion and it turns out that's how much my info was worth.

I've been using printers since the days of dot matrix printers and I paid a lot more for my first printer than I did for the last one I bought.
They are practically giving them away here in the states. I bought a Canon Pro-100 for $100 USD (about £62 GBP) after rebate, including shipping. That's about $25 less than a set of 8 ink cartridges cost, not even counting the price of a new print head. In fact, I bought a second one off Craigslist for $90 from someone who bought the camera and printer combo but didn't want the printer. So now I have two sets of ink and an extra print head and a printer for spare parts if I need them for a total of $190 (£117). And I forgot, 2 packs of 50 sheets of 13 x 19 photo paper.

I knew it was only a matter of time until someone would come out with a CLI-42 chip re-setter. And I'm sure that there will eventually be auto-resetting chips available too. But I'm now convinced that the chip re-setter is the best route to take because I've had my auto-resetting chips on my CLI-8 cartridges reset themselves when I had a short interruption in the electrical service. This could potentially mean death for a print head if it went unnoticed.

I agree with you on the likelihood of fusible chips on the CLI-42's or that Canon will do some sort of firmware update to zap refilled cartridges. I'm certain that had they wanted to do this, they would have done it to the CLI-8's.

I personally think it would be a better business model to charge more for the printer and sell the new or re-manufactured cartridges, filled with Canon ink, for a more reasonable price. But I'm sure you're glad they don't. LOL But for the foreseeable future, I think your business is safe.

 

[websnail]

Sorry for the bit of misinformation. I thought I would add my two cents worth to the discussion and it turns out that's how much my info was worth.

Ah don't sell yourself short, there was some conflicting information about so understand where the confusion arose. As for value, nothing is ever completely deviod of value, perhaps adjust for inflation next time?

I've been using printers since the days of dot matrix printers and I paid a lot more for my first printer than I did for the last one I bought.

A telling point about the loss leader approach to printer sales with consumables as the profit generator.

They are practically giving them away here in the states. I bought a Canon Pro-100 for $100 USD (about £62 GBP) after rebate, including shipping.

That's it, rub it in!

Painfully aware of the discounted nature on these in the USA. It's certainly not mirrored outside, particularly in the UK or Europe so there's obviously going to be a lot more users located your side of the pond.

I knew it was only a matter of time until someone would come out with a CLI-42 chip re-setter. And I'm sure that there will eventually be auto-resetting chips available too. But I'm now convinced that the chip re-setter is the best route to take because I've had my auto-resetting chips on my CLI-8 cartridges reset themselves when I had a short interruption in the electrical service. This could potentially mean death for a print head if it went unnoticed.

Agreed! When you look at the way the prism acts as a safety net for detecting low ink but still allows for sponge content, you realise if the printer power blips when the sponge content is low, you really are in for a bad day. It is a small window of "opportunity" but to stretch the analogy (to breaking point?) it's a window on the 90th floor so if you do hit it, it's not going to be fun journey from there on down.

I personally think it would be a better business model to charge more for the printer and sell the new or re-manufactured cartridges, filled with Canon ink, for a more reasonable price. But I'm sure you're glad they don't.

Kodak tried for that business model but had to cope with the lowball, loss leader approach from other manufacturers so the printer quality and support suffered. That said, it does look like the Workforce Pro are headed in the direction of lower cost per page consumables with higher price printers so there's some leaning in your preferred direction but I suspect that was more in response to the business market dropping small cartridge inkjets in favour of Lasers.

LOL But for the foreseeable future, I think your business is safe.

So, about 3 weeks then?


As I said before, welcome... Given your experience breadth, sounds like you'll fit right in... especially if you have a room of printers.

 

[The Hat]

Are you playing with electricity again?

Nope that is correct.
The Canon print installer that comes on the CD with your new printer will not
install the new print driver till you give it direct access to the internet.

Get a new desktop Canon printer and try it out for yourself, normally
you could have used Windows to get the same print driver and not bother using the CD.

but if you do that then your printer still won’t work !

 

[jtoolman]

Hat, I downloaded the latest WIN 7 and other utilities from the Canon USA site and installed it from there.
Everything worked. If it tried to install anything automatically it must have realized that it already had the latest of everything. I set it up with WiFi.

Joe

 

[stratman]

Nope that is correct.

I thought our use of the word "commutate" was novel, hence my comment on you playing with electricity.

 

[PeterBJ]

The Hat wrote:

It needs this direct connection to your computer to commutate with any Canon print drivers
it detects before it will install anything further.

I think the original meaning of the word "commutate" is to switch or swap. Commutators in some electrical motors do just that.

I think in this case commutating could also mean "to replace one driver with another" or did you mean communicate? Both could make sense IMO.

 

[The Hat]

Gee guy I am lost in your translations somewhere..
All I meant to say was connect but instead I fell over my finger with communicate !
The men in white coats are coming to give me Electrotherapy, Wee..

 

[stratman]

I would give you a shrugging smilie but that one has seemed to not be available! First Mr. Giggles and now Shruggie. Are they being kidnapped and replaced with alien copies?

@Nifty -- Did the shrugging smilie disappear when you added back the giggling smilie? Is there a limit reached on smilies?