Ultra K / Ultra black pigment ink from Precision Colors

[mikling]

I just ran a quick test with the 1128 and there are some surprising results.

The text printed with the 1128 is not as sharp as that on the Ultra-K. There is more bleeding as compared to the Ultra-K. I expected this. With a magnifying glass, the colorlok improves the sharpness of all the pigment inks. Ultra-K as well as the 1128. However, with colorlok I noted more improvement in sharpness with Ultra-K than there was with the 1128.

Now with the 1128, the ruboff performance was very good. Suprising indeed. Both with colorlok and non colorlok. and in less than a couple minutes of drying.

It is possible that the 1128 is formulated with smaller particles and thus can penetrate the high density paper fibers on the surface better. This is interesting.

Blackness, again the Ultra-K was darker but the 1128 is not dark grey. This is a relative comparison though and will vary with different brands of paper.

So there you have it why 1128? When you need ruboff performance and highliter performance but are willing to trade that for sharpness and blackness. Also if you are pumping out lots of documents and need faster dry times. The 1128 is recommended for pigment ink carts newer than the PGI-5.

If you don't need ruboff performace, then consider the Ultra-K and 1020. The 1020 is a tad bit less black than the Ultra-K and is slightly less expensive.

Dye 1008 can be used when non permanent ink is acceptable and lower running costs and least buildup of solids is desired.

I quit this plain paper stuff now.

 

[The Hat]

Grandexp The Hat, you may have smudging problems with some papers.
It may be an issue of the paper alone but do not imply that colorlok paper has the same issue for the same reasons.

What you climb down from your soap box and read what I said you will then see the Facts.
What I said was fact not fiction nor misconception and most certainly I was not misunderstanding any of my facts.

For the record I did not mention Colorlok anywhere in my thread and if I had I would no problems
standing by what I wrote. (Except smuggling)

As far as Colorlok is concerned I have never used it and am unlightly to as its a US based paper product
so I cannot pass any judgement on it either way, but going on Miklings description I would say
that it uses more starch in its makeup for smoothness, brightness and weight.
It probably is a very good paper for some inkjet printers..

 

[Grandexp]

The Hat, hum... I did not connect misconception or misunderstanding of colorlok paper with you at all. You said you had pigment ink smudging problems with some papers and this thread is discussing smudging with colorlok papers. I suggested to you to not imply the issues of your problem to the colorlok paper smudging issues some people have. They are different matters. You had watched too much soap opera on the internet. What you have done is you smuggled the thread.

Clorlok paper is all over the world now. International Paper makes it and sells it worldwide. You are likely to have used it unknowingly though. It is an excellent paper if you use the right ink. This thread is an excellent one because the issue of smudging on colorlok paper is real. Do not mistaken that it is a serious issue. Considering all the advantages the highlighter smudging is a minus one.

 

[Grandexp]

Mikling, again I would like to suggest to you that you clearly distinguish your own Ultra K from authentic Image Specialists products. The label of your Ultra K ink says Ink made in USA by Image Specialists. This is not true because it is nowhere to be found in Image Specialists catalog. Any decent reseller of Image Specialists products will make it clear that it is not a product made by Image Specialists. A trip to your ebay store I also found the specialty black and white inks you sell for Canon. Again you stated that the inks are made in USA by Image Specialists. There is really no such products in Image Specialists catalog.

Your misconception of colorlok is another mistake that should not have been made by a reseller of a reputable brand name of ink products. It is natural that anyone could mistake new technologies that they don't know. But your misconception can affect a lot of people and cause a huge impact to the general public resulting in untruth speculations to spread. A good new technology should be enjoyed by all of us. I personally found colorlok a great innovation. Thank you for reading my posts.

 

[stratman]

Grandexp:

I get the impression you have a horse in this race.

Are you in any way related to, connected with, employed by, financially staked in or gain from (or have family that do/are) the designer, manufacturer, distribution, selling, advertising and/or media member (internet, print, video, etc) involved with any paper, ink and/or printer?

 

[Grandexp]

I am a professional in this industry. I hope to stop a untrue rumor before it starts to spread about colorlok papers. I understand freedom speech. Anyone can say anything as opinions. Do exercise some caution if one is in a position that can cause much greater impact beyond individuals can. I just read mikling's later post. He seemed to agree to some extend of his misunderstanding about the colorlok technology. That's good enough for me. If I am too harsh on him I apologize.

 

[The Hat]

Grandexp
Do I not qualify for an apology too, I being dealing with paper companies for 47 years? :|

 

[Grandexp]

The Hat, I am sorry I don't understand why I owe you one. There must be a misunderstanding between us.

 

[stratman]

I am a professional in this industry.

Thank you for your candor, Grandexp.

Mikling is a fine and honorable member of the forum who, as you've now seen, is trying to make sense of things like the rest of us and is prepared to alter his hypotheses when new data is presented.

Hopefully you will share some of your knowledge, without compromising your contractural terms and ethics of course. I think you will find an intelligent, flexible and congenial group on this forum. We may have our bad days, but, in the end, our goal is to advance out knowledge and enjoy printing to the best of our abilities and desires.

Welcome.

 

[stratman]

The Hat, I am sorry I don't understand why I owe you one. There must be a misunderstanding between us.

The Hat has a certain wry sense of humor at times which I find easy going but may be an acquired taste depending on your personality.

I think The Hat was pulling your leg a bit, joking that he has been buying/using paper for his 47 years living on Earth, probably beginning in kindergarten. Where he lived prior to his time on Earth is still under conjecture.

(As usual, I kid The Hat)