Something to ponder about your waste inks ?

[The Hat]

At this time of the year I tend to crank up my Pro 9500 to print all the things that have being building up over many many weeks, the last time I used the printer was back in August / September !

Being a pigment printer you’d think it would clog up to hell in that period of time, on the other hand dye printers are known not to be great been left idle for long periods, so that’s one myth I can put to bed, pigment wins out over dye ink, it's far safer being left for longer periods.

I used 8.6 ml of ink for cleaning for this printing session and the previous one, and I reckon that’s not bad at all, so much for the 60 hour cleaning cycle myth which shows it’s complete nonsense.

Now if you leave your printer on 24/7 or turn it on every week to print a nozzle check in the vain hope of saving your OEM or 3rd party inks, your printer is going to use far more than point 5 ml per cart in that same time period.

Here’s a breakdown of my two print sessions for the past six months, (use a calculator) if necessary:- 8.6 ml x two separate cleaning cycles for ten cartridges x 2, and it works out at less than point 5 of a ml per cart. (For 6 months)

When I finished my print run and put the printer to sleep again for this year, I emptied the printer Potty and weighed the contents, that’s one of the beauties of having this system installed, it takes all the guess work away for your waste ink…

 

[Artur5]

That's all very well and I agree with you that printing only two/three times per year instead of every few days saves a lot of ink, but the 60 hours cleaning isn't a myth at all. It will be performed if you try to print something and more than 60 hours have ellapsed since the last cleaning. If it's more than 120 hours, then it will perform a more extensive cleaning, wasting more ink. Of course, if you never switch on the machine or leave it iddle without printing it will waste no ink at all.
Your system of printing a lot in one session and then rest several months is fine if one can wait so long for delivering the pictures. You can't disregard also the increased risk of clogging for lack of use. Yes, even pigment printers will clog eventually (well. maybe not in Ireland ... ).

 

[palombian]

I once calculated an average scenario when the printer would be switched on every week and I arrived at a volume for cleaning equal to one set of carts (or € 20 at refill prices).
With OEM ink this scares a lot of people (and it will be more due to the cartridge change domino effect).

 

[The Hat]

That's all very well and I agree with you that printing only two/three times per year instead of every few days saves a lot of ink, but the 60 hours cleaning isn't a myth at all

@Artur5, you have again missed the whole meaning of this post with your insistence in believing on the 60 / 120 hour cleaning cycles.

I have clearly shown they don’t exist, but that’s up to you whether you believe in hearsay rather than factual evidence, I have also shown the pigment printer clogs far less than dye printers.

The principal of turning on your printer 3 or 4 times a week to print your precious photos will trigger mutable cleaning cycles in that short time period and when measured, even in just 1 week, amounts to far more than this 60 hour cleaning cycle, and your action does stop the 60 hour event from happening, but waste more ink into the bargain.

If you print as I do (Periodically) then you can save quite a bit on waste ink, but if you print as you do then you have to accept you’re going to waste a considerable amount ink in cleaning, that’s what printers do and it’s all part of owning a beautiful printer..

P.S. Put your mind at rest by investing in a Printer Potty..

 

[palombian]

@Artur5...

P.S. Put your mind at rest by investing in a Printer Potty..

As long as nobody proved the PRO-10 ink counter can be reset I do not see the advantage (other than counting spilled ink).
Can always be installed when needed.

 

[Artur5]

@Artur5, you have again missed the whole meaning of this post with your insistence in believing on the 60 / 120 hour cleaning cycles.
I have clearly shown they don’t exist, but that’s up to you whether you believe in hearsay rather than factual evidence, I have also shown the pigment printer clogs far less than dye printers.
The principal of turning on your printer 3 or 4 times a week to print your precious photos will trigger mutable cleaning cycles in that short time period and when measured, even in just 1 week, amounts to far more than this 60 hour cleaning cycle, and your action does stop the 60 hour event from happening, but waste more ink into the bargain.
If you print as I do (Periodically) then you can save quite a bit on waste ink, but if you print as you do then you have to accept you’re going to waste a considerable amount ink in cleaning, that’s what printers do and it’s all part of owning a beautiful printer..
P.S. Put your mind at rest by investing in a Printer Potty..

Shall I say again that we must merrily agree on our disagreement in this matter ?

Tell me how you proved that time triggered cleanings in Canon printers don’t exist..
The only way to avoid them is not using the machine at all.
Have you tried printing every three days, measuring afterwards the amount of ink poured on the printer potty ?. If you print only 3 or 4 times a year, how do you know what would do the machine if you printed every three days ?
You must be the only user in the whole Internet community negating this fact. Do you think that Jtoolman is on the payroll of Canon so he insists on asserting a ridiculous myth ?. Do you believe that Canon service manuals lie outrageously when they detail clearly the schedule and amount of those automated cleanings ?.

Never mind, I agree absolutely with you on other questions, Yes, printing everyday a nozzle check it’s useless, cleaning cycles aren’t triggered by the time ellapsed since the last print, but since the last cleaning (automated or manual).

You're right too with the policy of printing a lot in a single session to avoid wasting ink. If you can afford to wait months to see your prints, that’s great. I can’t. Often a friend or relative asks some prints for tomorrow or next week and I can’t tell them to wait 2 months. That doesn’t means using my Pro10s every other day. I do it maybe three times a month on average. That makes 36 intensive cleaning cycles per year. If you print, say every three months, that’s only 4 cleanings per year. (although we should add the automated purges performed every time we change a cartridge ).
People who print every two-three days (if only a nozzle check ) will trigger 120 regular cleanings per year. I waste more ink than you, but much, much less than those who use the machine every day.
Happy New year 2020 to everybody.

@The Hat : I hope we‘ll continue to agree/disagree at least as much as we did in 2019.

 

[palombian]

The ink consumption of the PRO-10 seems to be the same as the PRO-9500 II.
I have about the same usage pattern as @Artur5.
Since the ink is not expensive (and paid upfront since I have to keep large inventories by fear of supply difficulties and tax increases ) and I loose much less during cartridge changes, I stopped worrying about this.

A happy printing Newyear to all !

 

[The Hat]

Shall I say again that we must merrily agree on our disagreement in this matter ?

Tell me how you proved that time triggered cleanings in Canon printers don’t exist..
The only way to avoid them is not using the machine at all. This statement is correct, so now you’re saying they don’t exist..

Because if they did exist I would get a horrendous cleaning cycle after the machine was stopped for more than 2000 hours, these cleaning cycles only occur if your USING your printer regularly, so time triggered cleaning cycles only exist in this instance.(The Pro 1 is the exception because it punishes all offenders)

O’ you mentioned Jtoolman, why ?, because he’s not an authority on Canon printers, his limited information came second hand from an old service manual for the Pro 9500, which as we all know was totally misleading and is incorrect for the newer Canon printers. (This information was quickly withdrawn) !.

There is no better man than Jtoolman to learn from about colour management, profiling and all things photo printing, but he has limited experience of the goings on with the internal workings of a Canon printer, and "as said" the only accrete way to measure waste is a Printer Potty.

P.S. Canon services manuals are far from accrete, for instance the translation from Japanese to English is absolutely terrible in many places… O’ and we don’t disagree at all, we just like to sling our waste ink..

2020 is on the way so enjoy the next few hours, and wet the baby’s head thoroughly, then have a Happy new Year after you wake up…

 

[palombian]

The original PRO-9500 was known as an ink guzzler, this was corrected in the Mk II.

Here only 5 hours before the New Year, enjoy !

 

[YourInkedGirl]

I once calculated an average scenario when the printer would be switched on every week and I arrived at a volume for cleaning equal to one set of carts (or € 20 at refill prices).
With OEM ink this scares a lot of people (and it will be more due to the cartridge change domino effect).

Look for an ink-saver or toner-saver mode. Print in Draft mode except when presentation-quality output is required. Wherever possible, print in black and white instead of colour. If your printer supports duplex printing, using it will enable you to save paper. Its safer to save the printer than buying new Ink. its much cheaper.