Replacing dye based inks with pigmented inks

[telv]

The Greek ink and cartridges look ok but I wouldnt recommend the use a Marriot system for pigment ink in any printer..

Can you please say what are your reservations with the Marriot system. Is it the inks that come with it, the sytem itself or both

 

[The Hat]

telv Can you please say what are your reservations with the Marriot system. Is it the inks that come with it, the sytem itself or both

There is nothing wrong with the Marriot system at all its a great system; in fact I use them all the time.

I say it again I would not use this type of CISS with pigment ink it can only end in tears.
Have a look at the CISS that Mikling set up for pigment ink and spot the difference.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=33555#p33555

If you got yourself a small laminator you could do all your own laminating and it wouldnt cost very much.
It would make your greeting cards look much better and you could even use lighter cart stock and save more..

 

[panos]

If you got yourself a small laminator you could do all your own laminating and it wouldnt cost very much.
It would make your greeting cards look much better and you could even use lighter cart stock and save more..

I got an interest in this thread because I had some experience with laminating Greek icons using a low cost laminator: it does make the colors look better, but without professional laminating and cutting tools it takes a lot of time and the final result looks home-made because the edges have to be wide, the angles are often not well rounded and the paper is often bent due to uneven heating from the low cost laminator. Icons produced by professional laminating machines look great, perfectly flat, short edges, and uniform rounded.

But isn't greeting cards supposed to be written on ? I think a thick, good quality matte paper for greeting cards and pigmented ink is the only way to make a good looking product without taking the route of professional equipment...

telv, if you decide to go for it, could you please post some photos of the results on the forum ?

 

[telv]

I'm afraid that laminating greetings cards is not an option for all the reasons mentioned by panos. They must be laminated on the outside only so as to allow writing on the inside and this is something that can only be done commercially. We do laminate posters ourselves for putting up on walls but if the print run is long enough then it is much more cost effective to give the work to a local printer who creates a far better product than we can!

The various suggestions which have been made to make cards by different methods is very much appreciated but for now will concentrate just on changing the ink.

My thanks again to panos. Having followed up on the info it appears that either dye or pigmented based inks can be used in any Epson model.

The main factor with pigmented inks, at least in an Epson printer, seems to be that of clogging. A quick look through the reviews by customers of the R1900 on the Epson site suggests this can be a very significant problem!

I will be refilling and my plan is to use pigmented inks from Image Specialists. I would be very grateful to have feedback from users of this ink, or indeed any other that is recommended.

Yes, indeed, will post some photos of the results. In the meantime a fair amount of experimentation is needed and will include a gloss top coating. But that is another story!

 

[perfectprint]

We would like to thank you for inviting us at your forum and thus giving us the opportunity to share opinions and expose experiences that might contribute in answering relative questions.
Getting to the point, the P50 printer works fine with EPSONs Durabrite pigmented ink, in fact EPSON recommends this type of ink for printing greeting cards, which is the case we are talking about. Having said that, using premium quality pigmented ink with P50 will certainly not damage the printer.
Premium quality pigmented ink combined with good quality paper will most probably solve your problem since this kind of ink is indelible and water & smudge resistant, which is not the case for dye inks like Claria.
Please also consider that we have sold dozens of P50 CISS together with our premium quality pigmented ink without receiving any complaints regarding poor quality or printer damages. In many cases those systems are used for printing greeting cards. Actually, we are using such a system in combination with microporous waterproof 280 gsm premium quality photo paper for printing our own business cards.
Regarding the reservations expressed for using CISS together with pigmented ink, it is true that if you dont use the system for a week or so, it might be a good idea to perform a head cleaning and shake well the ink before use. However, for smaller idle times, no such actions are necessary.
For the record, we received reports for clogging of such systems, only in cases that idle time was significantly larger than a week.
You are more than welcome to visit our e-shop and browse through our premium quality products, especially CISS, refillable cartridges, various types of premium quality inks and wide format products. We would be more than glad to answer any questions and help you find the appropriate solution that best fits your needs.

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[rddcse]

I am having Epson stylus 1390 (A3) printer. I don't know it have a pigment cartridge or dye based cartridge . Please tell me how can i differentiate among them.

 

[stratman]

I am having Epson stylus 1390 (A3) printer. I don't know it have a pigment cartridge or dye based cartridge . Please tell me how can i differentiate among them.

Using Google and searching on "Epson sylus 1390", I found several links which describe the printer as a DYE-based printer. See this link for their review.

An easy way to differentiate between Dye-based ink and Pigment ink is to print something, let it dry thoroughly, and then run tap water over 1/2 of the page for 10-30 seconds. If the print/image does not run, fade, or streak compared to the unwashed side then it is probably Pigment ink. Dye-based inks are water soluble and will wash off in water.