Pro-10 for $99.99

[vienna01]

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DIGEST THE 6+ PAGES OF COMMENTS ABOUT BUYING THE PRO 10 OR PRO 100 ETC.
I WOULD BE VERY APPRECIATIVE IF SOMEONE CAN SUMMARIZE THE FOLLOWING[and answer]FOR ME AND MAYBE OTHERS.

I HAVE AN MX 922 LOVE IT! I REFILL CARTS FROM PRECISION AND EMPTY CARTS FROM PRECISION AND SOMEONE ON THE NET. I only use Precision INKS. I spend a lot on rubber[plastic] gloves!
THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE MX 922 IS WAITING FOR THE RED SIGNAL THAT INDICATES "OUT" AND PREVENTS FURTHER PRINTING.
I UNDERSTAND THE PRO 10 AND PRO 100 ARE WIDE PAPER CAPABLE. I might never need that but it is nice capability.
I LIVE IN USA [there was comment about bargain restricted to USA because Canon USA is different from UK Canon.

NOW THE QUESTIONS:
IS THERE A TECHNICAL [other than page size] REASON for which I SHOULD CONSIDER THE PRO 10 AND THE PRO 100 over the MX922 ]?
SOMETHING ABOUT NON-DYE INKS THAT CAN LAST A LONG TIME?
IS THAT non-DYE ink capability FOR THE PRO 100 OR BOTH that & Pro 10?
Are there deals for THE PRO 100 FOR $49.99 STILL AVAILABLE? All dealers or only certain ones?
The Pro-100 sounds best deal if the PRO-100 is better technical printer or if it uniquely uses non-dye inks. Or am I missing something that 100 isn't as good as Pro 10? [Am I fooled by the numbering system that over powers my logical brain?]]
Sorry about caps. I had lock on.
If someone summarizes all this stuff-; all the comments asking questions like mine could be answered by pointing to the summary
[at least optimistic me thinks that]


-----------------------------------------The following is like[ like was favorite word spacer in my day] an author's note or excuse.
Some of us old guys are self deprecating.------------ FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT-
A bribe to get a summary.
Do I get in trouble for being off topic?

If this all seems simplistic- expecting someone[you folks]to create a summary on the issues for Pro 10 & Pro 100; excuse me I am only 79
but from another age & different world!
There was FORTRAN II, Dartmouth Basic, uucp[network NEWS] , dot matrix printers and vacuum[neat ones like triodes] tubes. We still used carbon paper or heat sensitive paper copy machines[ Thermofax ?]. We used to say BURN ME A COPY when we wanted to copy something photographically.There were blueprints and BLACK-BROWN blueprints called OZALID For me as a poor engineering student[ they locked up real copy machines], my first copy machine was a cookie tin with melted "Knox" Gelatin*. I typed[ with manual portable of course they locked up electrical ones too.] on special paper to create reverse purple image. I transferred this purple image to the gelatin in cookie tin.. Then I could make up to 5-7 copies, if I was fast enough, by laying blank "coated" paper[ which wasn't locked up] onto the gelatin with the purple reversed image. I think other colors were available -ask Google. I could not use the mimeo machine-that was locked up too and very messy. I was told this gelatin copy technology was 100 years old. I never asked Google. * Made from animal bones they said. So was IVORY Soap.

Final breath: The bribe is: I will never again waste your time reading this stuff from me if someone does the summary.I Promise!

GLOBAL EDIT. I WAS FOOLED- I THOUGH THE PRO 100 was BETTER THAN PRO 10
I believe in numbers. They got me!

 

[stratman]

IS THERE A TECHNICAL [other than page size] REASON for which I SHOULD CONSIDER THE PRO 10 AND THE PRO 100 over the MX922 ]?

The following is a broad brushstroke comparison of the printers. Look at their specs at the Canon web site for more in depth info on their capabilities.

The Canon Pro 10 is a pigment ink printer with 10 color cartridges. In general, your prints will suffer less fading over time using pigment inks, ie they will last longer on display, than the dye-based inks from the Canon Pro 100 (with 8 color cartridges) and the MX922. Some feel that dye-based inks have a more vibrant appearance compared to pigment inks.

Pigment inks will cost a bit more than dye-based inks. Also, pigment inks can sometimes suffer from "bronzing" and "gloss differential" effects: https://imagescience.com.au/knowledge/bronzing-and-gloss-differential-issues-on-inkjet-papers.

Either of the Pro printers will be able to display color gamut more smoothly than your MX922, ie the color gradations will seem more lifelike than stepped or blocky color changes in less adept printers. The Pro series are designed to output superb images.

Since the Pro 100 is dye ink only, printed test may not appear as sharp and will not have the water resistance of the pigment black of your printer or that of the Pro 10.

As you've already mentioned, the Pro printers can handle more paper sizes than your current printer.

If you are satisfied with your MX922 then why change? If you are looking for improved appearance of printed images and larger prints, then the Pro series will deliver it in spades. Of course, if you feed the printer low quality paper, inks and images then you will get low quality results. There are high quality aftermarket inks for both Pro printers and plenty of paper choices, some with free custom ICC printer profiles to improve the results on the printed page, such as from Precision Colorss which match printer to a specific paper with the ink, though this may not be necessary for your satisfaction.

Refilling of ink is simple and cartridge chip resetters are available.

 

[The Hat]

If you are satisfied with your MX922 then why change?

I can only add to @stratman post with, the Pro 100 and Pro 10 are a world away from your MX922, in terms of great quality, ease of use, bigger paper size, bigger cartridges, you can even stay with PRECISION inks, and the Big Lebowski, its ease of refilling especially on the Pro 10.

Your age should not a barrier either, most of us auld farts were born back in the last century too, and are still enjoying the quality of these newer printers, but I have one sad note dough, the $49 price ones are all gone but there are still quite a few $99 bonus printers to be had in certain outlet.

Whether you choose to get a Pro100 or a Pro10 is entirely up to you, either ways you won’t be sorry because their great printers, I’d go for the Pro 10 if you want better archival prints and you won’t need gloves to refill it.
P.S. O’ you can rant away to your hearts content...

 

[mikling]

Here's the skinny on this topic. Someone asked if I was finishing up my inkset and I said a week ago more testing was due for the weekend. After a week of testing the new red ink. It is not ready for prime time. I will release the new inkset as soon as the production magenta arrives.
If you want very high standards of printing, at this time you MUST use the OEM red ink. You can refill the other 9 inks with excellent results but the RED ink is so critical and so difficult to make and the aftermarket reds are simply not up the task as yey. If all you want is a print, then yes, go ahead and use an aftermarket red. As soon as deep oranges and deep reds kick in, you will need the OEM red. I am being honest here. It took me 6 months to arrive here and about half of that struggling with the Red and it has come to naught for better results. The Red ink I was about to release was promising...very promising but the jetting characteristics is not what I would approve to be released. Not ready for prime time.

Here's where the Pro-100 and Pro-10 fit in. The Pro-100 is a great machine for learning to improve your printing skills. With refilling and the provided profiles, you can raise your skill level and learn the craft for very little money. You can press print without a second thought. You can improve your skills to the point where essentially the Pro-100 matches other top end printers in print quality even with refilling. So it is cheap to use, allows learning very affordably the downside is it is not archival. Fade is an issue. Now after you've learned how to master printing down pat, you can also now load the same machine with OEM inks for better fade resistance. So you can make the Pro-100 very versatile.

Then comes in the Pro-10. The 10 is a pigment ink printer. It will produce pigment ink prints and you can place them anywhere and everywhere without a thought about fading in the room. So why not the Pro-10. Pigment ink costs more. Simple as that. How much more? About twice the cost of dye ink. The downside is that pigment inks are not as vibrant as dye inks. If you want prints that shout and pop out on the wall, then pigment inks might not meet the challenge as dyes inks naturally have deeper colors than pigment ink. If you want to retain top notch quality while still refilling, then as the above starts out with, you'll need to purchase the OEM red ink at this point in time. It is THE juice that is critical to the Pro-10 to keep print quality up in certain colors.

These two printers fulfill two different needs really. It is still cheaper to purchase a Pro-10, refill it and use the OEM red ink than use a Pro-100 and purchase Pro-100 OEM dye inks over time. In absolute print quality my vote goes to the pro-100 in demanding images.

At the prices, if one can afford it, get a Pro-100 and a Pro-10.

If you've mastered the Pro-100, then what next. Again, it depends on what you want. If it is simply longevity...then the Pro-10. or consider the P400. The P400 is not a fine art printer. You will notice that it is weak in very fine details in shadows. B&W performace......consider the Pro-1 or Epson P600. Anything beyond this will cost a lot more to print both in purchase price and running cost. So the Pro-100 and Pro-10 are currently the super sweet spots in printer at the rebated prices. If gloss differential which is something that cannot be avoided with generally with pigment inks, then do not consider the Epson. You must go with a Canon pigment ink printer that uses Chroma Optimizer.

These are Canon's gifts to refillers seeking high quality photos really....the Pro-100 and Pro-10.

 

[tjk]

Hey @mikling thank you for the update. So the rest of the refill kit for the pro 10 is ready to order? I am fine using OEM red and the PC inks for the other colors.

A question on your statement about the pigment ink's costing 2x more then dye...why is canon charging less for the Pro 10 carts then they are for the pro 100 carts? 14.99 for a Pro 10 cart vs 16.99 for a Pro 100 cart? Just curious what I am missing based on your pigment is 2x more then the cost of dye.

And just to confirm, if an order is placed today on your site for a pro 10 refill kit, it will ship with the new inks, correct?

Any idea how Inkowl got the pro 10 refill kit with red ink working?

Thanks!

 

[mikling]

Hey @mikling thank you for the update. So the rest of the refill kit for the pro 10 is ready to order? I am fine using OEM red and the PC inks for the other colors.

A question on your statement about the pigment ink's costing 2x more then dye...why is canon charging less for the Pro 10 carts then they are for the pro 100 carts? 14.99 for a Pro 10 cart vs 16.99 for a Pro 100 cart? Just curious what I am missing based on your pigment is 2x more then the cost of dye.

And just to confirm, if an order is placed today on your site for a pro 10 refill kit, it will ship with the new inks, correct?

Any idea how Inkowl got the pro 10 refill kit with red ink working?

Thanks!

Yeah, I am curious about that as well. Maybe the Pro-10 pigment ink from Canon is a grand bargain. Everyone knows pigment ink is more costly. That tells you something about Chromalife 100+. they (Canon) might be paying Fujifilm a license fee to use the technology. One thing Fuji technology will only be licensed to the OEMs....for marketing reasons.

The kits are not listed properly as yet. I need to make web page stuff over the weekend and when the Signature Edition Kit is listed then it is ready to be ordered.

 

[vienna01]

The following is a broad brushstroke comparison of the printers. Look at their specs at the Canon web site for more in depth info on their capabilities.

The Canon Pro 10 is a pigment ink printer with 10 color cartridges. In general, your prints will suffer less fading over time using pigment inks, ie they will last longer on display, than the dye-based inks from the Canon Pro 100 (with 8 color cartridges) and the MX922. Some feel that dye-based inks have a more vibrant appearance compared to pigment inks.

Pigment inks will cost a bit more than dye-based inks. Also, pigment inks can sometimes suffer from "bronzing" and "gloss differential" effects: https://imagescience.com.au/knowledge/bronzing-and-gloss-differential-issues-on-inkjet-papers.

Either of the Pro printers will be able to display color gamut more smoothly than your MX922, ie the color gradations will seem more lifelike than stepped or blocky color changes in less adept printers. The Pro series are designed to output superb images.

Since the Pro 100 is dye ink only, printed test may not appear as sharp and will not have the water resistance of the pigment black of your printer or that of the Pro 10.

As you've already mentioned, the Pro printers can handle more paper sizes than your current printer.

If you are satisfied with your MX922 then why change? If you are looking for improved appearance of printed images and larger prints, then the Pro series will deliver it in spades. Of course, if you feed the printer low quality paper, inks and images then you will get low quality results. There are high quality aftermarket inks for both Pro printers and plenty of paper choices, some with free custom ICC printer profiles to improve the results on the printed page, such as from Precision Colorss which match printer to a specific paper with the ink, though this may not be necessary for your satisfaction.

Refilling of ink is simple and cartridge chip resetters are available.

The following is a broad brushstroke comparison of the printers. Look at their specs at the Canon web site for more in depth info on their capabilities.

The Canon Pro 10 is a pigment ink printer with 10 color cartridges. In general, your prints will suffer less fading over time using pigment inks, ie they will last longer on display, than the dye-based inks from the Canon Pro 100 (with 8 color cartridges) and the MX922. Some feel that dye-based inks have a more vibrant appearance compared to pigment inks.

Pigment inks will cost a bit more than dye-based inks. Also, pigment inks can sometimes suffer from "bronzing" and "gloss differential" effects: https://imagescience.com.au/knowledge/bronzing-and-gloss-differential-issues-on-inkjet-papers.

Either of the Pro printers will be able to display color gamut more smoothly than your MX922, ie the color gradations will seem more lifelike than stepped or blocky color changes in less adept printers. The Pro series are designed to output superb images.

Since the Pro 100 is dye ink only, printed test may not appear as sharp and will not have the water resistance of the pigment black of your printer or that of the Pro 10.

As you've already mentioned, the Pro printers can handle more paper sizes than your current printer.

If you are satisfied with your MX922 then why change? If you are looking for improved appearance of printed images and larger prints, then the Pro series will deliver it in spades. Of course, if you feed the printer low quality paper, inks and images then you will get low quality results. There are high quality aftermarket inks for both Pro printers and plenty of paper choices, some with free custom ICC printer profiles to improve the results on the printed page, such as from Precision Colorss which match printer to a specific paper with the ink, though this may not be necessary for your satisfaction.

Refilling of ink is simple and cartridge chip resetters are available.

The following is a broad brushstroke comparison of the printers. Look at their specs at the Canon web site for more in depth info on their capabilities.

The Canon Pro 10 is a pigment ink printer with 10 color cartridges. In general, your prints will suffer less fading over time using pigment inks, ie they will last longer on display, than the dye-based inks from the Canon Pro 100 (with 8 color cartridges) and the MX922. Some feel that dye-based inks have a more vibrant appearance compared to pigment inks.

Pigment inks will cost a bit more than dye-based inks. Also, pigment inks can sometimes suffer from "bronzing" and "gloss differential" effects: https://imagescience.com.au/knowledge/bronzing-and-gloss-differential-issues-on-inkjet-papers.

Either of the Pro printers will be able to display color gamut more smoothly than your MX922, ie the color gradations will seem more lifelike than stepped or blocky color changes in less adept printers. The Pro series are designed to output superb images.

Since the Pro 100 is dye ink only, printed test may not appear as sharp and will not have the water resistance of the pigment black of your printer or that of the Pro 10.

As you've already mentioned, the Pro printers can handle more paper sizes than your current printer.

If you are satisfied with your MX922 then why change? If you are looking for improved appearance of printed images and larger prints, then the Pro series will deliver it in spades. Of course, if you feed the printer low quality paper, inks and images then you will get low quality results. There are high quality aftermarket inks for both Pro printers and plenty of paper choices, some with free custom ICC printer profiles to improve the results on the printed page, such as from Precision Colorss which match printer to a specific paper with the ink, though this may not be necessary for your satisfaction.

Refilling of ink is simple and cartridge chip resetters are available.

 

[vienna01]

SPECIAL THANKS TO @stratman. @mikling & @The Hat FOR ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS-

The PRO 10 is impressive. I will GROW into its capabilities. I live in a 2000+ person retirement village where I can enter my prints for juried display. The quality papers & inks for Pro-10 will be valued.

New Questions:
What vendors have the Pro 10 available now? [just a couple of the best known ones]
I have until Oct 31 to get in on the best deals[vendor's price & rebate] CORRECT? Or is that answer against forum policy?

Addendum: I scanned the web and didn't see the deal where final price was $99 after discount by vendor & rebate. Is the discount by dealers gone now? They all seem to want $699 before rebate of $250 from Canon USA.

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

Late to the party, just back from vacation.

The deal at PROCAM seems to be over??? They show the PRO-10 out of stock on line, and there's no place to click and order.

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

Anyone? Is the deal still on anywhere?

Otherwise it costs about $450, and I'm not going to pop for that just to save money.