New Canon Desktop printers & new cartridges/capacities

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Should have spotted this sooner but it seems the usual Christmas rush is on with, not only new desktop printers available, but also new cartridges which presumably means new chips too.

New models in the UK are:
- iP7250
- MG5450
- MG6350 (with Grey)

... and of course the two new Pro-1 and Pro-100 (already mentioned elsewhere).


Sure this has been mentioned elsewhere too but Canon have finally bought into the standard versus High Capacity... erm... "marketing terminology" that we layfolk would probably refer to as "Bullsh*t" so the days of getting standard size cartridges are indeed at an end and may mean end-users needing to buy at least one new set of cartridges to get decent refilling capacity out of.

Will be interesting to see if the chip tech has changed much, and what limitations lie in the cartridges but you have to question the logic of companies already squeezing their customer base to the point where refilling and other alternatives look even more appealing.

 

[pharmacist]

I suspect the new Pro-10 and Pro-100 cartridges can be reset using a normal CLi-8/PGI-5 cartridge. Actually I have seen the craddle of both the Pro-10 (10 inks) and the Pro-100 (8 ink): the Pro-100 has a black case on the left, covering the 2 in slots, which are in the Pro-10. Canon thus has made one single design for both the Pro-10 and the Pro-100....even on print head craddle level. This is for cost efficiency, so I guess it will be on chip level too (less costs for redesigning new chips). So we need on of those new cartridges and try to reset it.

 

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I believe The Hat has already tried resetting using different resetters and had no joy... For myself I've sent on a donated cartridge to some folks in the know who have had a play but not reported back.

So, nice theory at this point but perhaps a little premature... Given that there's a new cartridge type out on the latest desktops and Canon aren't going to let a new Christmas market begin without new chips on, my educated guess is that the Pro-1 and Pro-100 chips are completely new and Canon used them first on those models. Can't see them missing out on the revenue protection for a high end printer for the sake of a couple of months.

Could be wrong of course but I'd put more money on being right than not.

 

[mikling]

If the new cartridge physical forms for the Pro series are the same as the older Pros, then Canon is obligated to reprogram the chip from the standpoint of preventing the use of older cartridge models just from the standpoint of preventing the user from making an intentional mistake. The money is on new chips, but override will be retained. If someone has some time, they can download the manuals for the new models and begin reading about this.

I had mentioned before that "setup" cartridges are included but what these are, I don't know as yet but it could mean a cartridge with severely limited capacity like what HP has been doing.

 

[The Hat]

I suspect the new Pro-10 and Pro-100 cartridges can be reset using a normal CLi-8/PGI-5 cartridge. Actually I have seen the craddle of both the Pro-10 (10 inks) and the Pro-100 (8 ink): the Pro-100 has a black case on the left, covering the 2 in slots, which are in the Pro-10. Canon thus has made one single design for both the Pro-10 and the Pro-100....even on print head craddle level.

Can you please confirm if the ink outlet hole on the bottom of both cartridges (CLI-42, PGI-72)
are the same or is one round and the other oval (oblong) just like the CLI-8, and PGI-9 are ?

 

[PeterBJ]

Druckerchannel.de has this about the capacities of the new PGI-550/CLI-551 standard and XL cartridges used in the Canon Pixma iP7250, MG5450 and MG6350: http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel.php?ID=3260&t=news_canon_pixma_ip7250_mg5450_und_mg6350 or translated into English: http://translate.google.dk/translat...0&t=news_canon_pixma_ip7250_mg5450_und_mg6350

 

[donaldsanchez]

This is amazing. Unfortunately i have bought a new printer. However, I ma satisfied with the product and paid comparatively low for the product.

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Druckerchannel.de has this about the capacities of the new PGI-550/CLI-551 standard and XL cartridges used in the Canon Pixma iP7250, MG5450 and MG6350: http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel.php?ID=3260&t=news_canon_pixma_ip7250_mg5450_und_mg6350 or translated into English: http://translate.google.dk/translat...0&t=news_canon_pixma_ip7250_mg5450_und_mg6350

Interesting information... especially the comparison between the 525/526 and 5/8 cartridge capacities... The fact that the XL cart is still lower output than the 5/8 line is not something Canon are going to be keen to highlight but they've at least ticked the box as far as the 525/526 comparison goes.

The switch to the tray feed for letter/A4 media is also an interesting development. I suppose the push is towards smaller formats where space is at a premium and the top/back feed approach does tend to take up a fair amount of space. Given the trade off is between heavier media and reduced space usage I can see why they've made the choice but it does mean those doing more enthusiast printing are going to be pushed more towards the Pro models if they're more than just kicking about.

 

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Interesting nugget to add to this discussion...

Apparently the HP chips on the 364/564 could not be reproduced as ARC's nor could they be reset so if Canon are following suit on the cartridge capacities, etc... it does beg the question of whether the latest 550/551 chips are going to follow on that as well...

Perhaps now would be a good time to buy quite a few current Canon models?

 

[mikling]

We have not seen the new cartridges but a few questions should come up. Firstly. if the new cartridges are the same design as the current crop of 225/525/226/526 cartridges, then is it possible that the current 525 is NOT a high capacity design and the XL version is then a similar cartridge with the sponge overfilled? I seem to see that in the table with the translation. Can anyone confirm this line of thought.

Then there is the issue of the resetter. Two models for the same printer family, depending on whether it is XL or not or maybe a smart resetter that can discern. Current Canon resetters do not discern whether it is hitting the correct chip. It is open loop and assumes the chip in contact is correct.

Finally, the overfilling aspect.???? Is the XL version really an "overfilled" cartridge? If it is, then overfilling is not as bad as many think it is. Some folks ,like Grandad had been doing this for years on the BCI-6, that is "overfilling" to generate a higher capacity cartridge. Same here. The sponge overfill is always used up first and then it empties the tank. If this is the case, then top filling will prove to be superior in allowing the overfill nature of the XL. The opaque aspect of the tank, does not allow an easy conclusion.

Food for thought folks but it will be revealed soon as the goods come out into the public domain.

Apparently there are ARC versions now of the 364/564 but I have not tried them to date.