My plan on refilling CLI-8's and PGI-5BK

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I like having a second pair of cartridges, filled and ready to go when one runs out. The print job runs smoother that way. If you don't mind taking a few minutes to refill on the spot then that is fine as well. It's your preference and there is no wrong answer unless you forget to pop the cartridge back into the print head for hours (not sure how long) and the residual ink dries and plugs up the print head. Do it immediately and no worries. Or have a spare ready for action.

Inktec, Precision Colors, Hobbicolors --- ALL are excellent inks. Each has their strong points, and all will look great without profiling the ink and paper combo for most people. Just pick one and try.

If you are doing the German/Durchstich Method of refilling, you will need at least a 2" needle. Longer than 2" is fine. The guage of the needle is also a personal preference. I use 18 guage blunt needle, some prefer smaller 20-22 guage needle. Sharp or blunt needle will work. Again personal preference. The syringe can be any size, though I find 10 cc or greater to be best because there is enough ink usually to refill without filling the syring back up. I actually prefer Howard Electronic 4 oz squeeze bottles for storing and refilling ink. I keep the needle on the squeeze bottle and use a needle sheath/scabbard to maintain air tightness.

There are a variety of resetters on the market, especially on eBay. People recommend the Redsetter because they are known item which is reputable. I have a Chinese knockoff (blue) with a removable baseplate and three batteries. It works as expected. Some have longer warranties. If you are willing and able to be vigilant, you can skip the resetter and just eyeball the ink levels in the cartridges. If a cartridge is empty and you keep trying to print, then you run the risk of a burned out print head and a $50 or more cost for a new print head. It is, again, personal preference and amount of risk you are willing to take.

If you get the eBay resetter/cartridge auction, I suggest you flush ALL the cartridges first before refilling as you don't know how they were stored, or how low they were stored. While the CLI-8 inks are water based and will dissolve dry ink, a mold or fungus may have set up and you will not want this to remain in the cartridge. So, better to be safe and flush first. It's easy and will not hurt the cartridge. If you want to be precise in flushing, Nifty-Stuff member Pharmacist has a recipe for flushing and conditioning fluids. Do a search or e-mail Pharmacist for the info.

Some people do not wait for the cartridge to become bone-dry. I do for the most part. Once again, it's personal preference how exacting the dryness of the sponge and cartridge need to be before filling, though one should not be able to blow drops out of the cartridge - that could be too much residual water.
 

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Why is there such a high desire for a resetter? I have never used one. I am totally comfortable not seeing ink level status. I print mostly documents with some colors. My PGI-5 always ran out of ink long before others did. Sometimes I refilled it before it ran out of ink. I would check all others and top them off if they are low. Sometimes I had to stop printing in the middle of a document when the PGI-5 suddenly ran out of ink. It would be really bone dry, including the sponge. I would refill it immediately. The printer would do a cleaning cycle then it started to print again. It never hurt the print head of my ip4200. It has been like that for at least 5 years. I just don't get it why everyone wants a resetter?
 

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nche11 said:
Why is there such a high desire for a resetter? I have never used one. I am totally comfortable not seeing ink level status. I print mostly documents with some colors. My PGI-5 always ran out of ink long before others did. Sometimes I refilled it before it ran out of ink. I would check all others and top them off if they are low. Sometimes I had to stop printing in the middle of a document when the PGI-5 suddenly ran out of ink. It would be really bone dry, including the sponge. I would refill it immediately. The printer would do a cleaning cycle then it started to print again. It never hurt the print head of my ip4200. It has been like that for at least 5 years. I just don't get it why everyone wants a resetter?
You are really lucky not to have burned up the print head.
 

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It's not luck. It has been like that for 5 years. My PGI-5 did run out of ink in the middle of a print job many times. I watch my printer printing all the time. Whenever I spotted that ink had run out I would stop printing and refill immediately. Never had any problems.
 

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Thank you all for this basic knowledge to refill canon.

- Ghwells purging method takes time and a strong breath, but it seems to work. My cyan has not become pure white but I hope it will do with a rest of dye.
Is there a link for "Pharmacist's recipe for flushing and conditioning fluids"?

- When I want to refill a second pair of cartridges to put it in my personal stock, how do I seal the cartridge? Is scotch tape on the outlet good enough? Is it necessary to seal the air vent / label too?
 

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You want to put a good vinyl tape stretched across the outlet port so that it makes a good seal and you want to find one that does not leave an adhesive residue. You do not want to cover the air vent because the cartridge needs to breathe through that port and the serpentine air path which keeps the ink from drying out. If you refill using the German method, you should also put a piece of vinyl tape across the refill hole as this will slowly dry out the ink if you don't.

I also advise keeping your refilled cartridges in an airtight ziplock bag with a piece of wet paper towel to keep the humidity up.
 

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ghwellsjr said:
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Purging cartridges is very easy, you just turn them upside down and let warm water from your faucet run into the outlet port until it starts filling the space between the top of the sponge and the top (now at the bottom) of the cartridge, then turn the cartridge right side up and blow into the air vent on the top of the cartridge until no more water/ink comes out of the outlet port. Keep repeating until the sponge is pure white for dye cartridges or until no more dirty water comes out for the pigment cartridge. Place the cartridges in a warm spot for many days. You'll know when they are dry if a paper towel blotted against the outlet port remains dry...
I found a more comfortable method but it takes a little time:

You place the cartridge upside down in the kitchen sink and let warm water just trickle on the outlet port. It take some time but slowly the sponge becomes white and the ink flows out of the air vent. Finally you can blow and clear the air vent.

For a very dry pigment cartridge I add some drops of diluted washing agent (for washing machine. I hope it doesn't affect the sponge..)

To dry the cartridges with capillar effect I wrap the cartridges in paper tissue. It must have good contact with the outlet sponge to suck the water out. So put a knob of tissue between outlet and wrap.
 

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Hi, I want to know if it is necessary to purge the cartridges before refilling them with third party ink.
 
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