My Canon PRO-10 on refill ink - and what happened to my PRO-9500II

[palombian]

@Ink stained Fingers,

I do not follow.
Do I misread when you say that my printer will not print colors out of sRGB as long as I do not have an Adobe RGB monitor ?

My photos are in raw and LR works internally in a (kind of) Prophoto RGB.
What I see is limited to my monitor, so maximum A RGB, in my case sRGB.
In the development module soft proofing I can see the monitor and destination gamut warnings.
In general I see more out-of-gamut warnings on the monitor than on the destination (printer), as can be expected since the printer has a wider gamut than the display.
When the print module would limit the gamut to the monitor both destinations should show the same warnings.
Of coarse this does not help me a lot since I have to guess how the printer prints a color I can not see how exactly it will be reproduced.
Exporting to the web, or to share, is always in sRGB.
How the print module converts is not my business, the profile arranges that this is (almost) the same as I see in soft proofing.

IMO the Lightroom approach takes away a lot of the complications where a lot of publications warn against.

But, as @Artur5 states, you pay mostly for the pleasure to see your photos with bright colors most others will never see.

 

[Ink stained Fingers]

Do I misread when you say that my printer will not print colors out of sRGB as long as I do not have an Adobe RGB monitor ?

Your printer does not know at all which type of monitor you have connected to your computer, the color space of the monitor is not the relevant element, it's the color space of the image you are going to print, I assume for this discussion that you are using photo software - for editing and printing - which is color space aware like Photoshop - and if you print an sRGB photo you won't get more color saturation even if your printer can exceed srgb in some areas. If you are in AdobeRGB the printer will deliver as much as its gamut can deliver within the AdobeRGB gamut - or whatever other color
space is used like ProPhotoRGB . I don't know but wouldn't assume that you get a gamut warning with the soft proof function for areas where the color space of the monitor is smaller than the printer gamut, a monitor technically seen is as much an output device as the printer running in parallel, the display is not the color reference for the print output, it's the system and graphics software driving the monitor such that it displays the correct colors and the printer is printing correct colors as well , and that's what the profiling and calibration efforts are for.

 

[palombian]

That is how I understood.
Working in raw with Lightroom keeps a maximum of information and leaves all output options open.

 

[palombian]

CCFL tubes lose brightness and maybe color gamut as they age. It may be possible to replace them.

These monitors were over € 1000 new, so also spare parts I presume.
The seller agrees with € 190 for an EIZO CG243W with 5500 hrs, included the hood.
I can calibrate it with my Colormunki, and it has automatic calibration built in.

Any experience ?

 

[stratman]

Any experience ?

Not with that monitor. Maybe start a new thread with the monitor make and model in the title to see if anyone with experience can assist.

I did a quick Google search that may be a starting point for you to research:

https://www.google.com/search?clien...hUKEwjB3sTTnJfmAhUBWa0KHf1UAdEQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
https://www.google.com/search?clien...hUKEwii_cDInJfmAhUNcq0KHdsoBzkQ4dUDCAo&uact=5
I am interested in how things go for you and hope calibrating the monitor will correct age-related issues.


EDIT
It looks like Arabic writing in the links from Google I pasted in. Why??? I am in the US and the links appear to be from the US. What's going on???

 

[Artur5]

The Eizo CG243 was a high end monitor when it was released 10 years ago. Current equivalent Eizo model is the CG247X costing 1500 euros. If you look the specs of the CG243, contrast is rated at 850:1, while the new Eizo CG panels are 1500;1. That means that, being still a very good screen, it can’t compete with newer CG models. I’d say it would be in the league of medium grade wide gamuts, like Eizo CS2420, with the disadvantage for the CG243 of having CCF lamps with 5500 hours of use instead of brand new LED backlight on the CS2420.

I don’t know what do you mean by ‘it has automatic calibration built-in’.. you need an external device for that (such as your Color Munki). The CG243 hasn’t got a built-ín calibrator on the lower side of the panel, like newer CG models, buy maybe you mean that it can be calibrated by hardware with the Color Navigator software ?

Anyway, 200 euros is a tempting price and perhaps those lamps are still in quite good condition, but maybe not. It would be different if you could test it before buying. Aging fluorescents show grayish spots around the corners, reduced contrast and uneven illumination across the panel.

It’s a 200 euros gamble, like mine for the PA242W, although in my case it was a new monitor with the support of Amazon, so I wouldn’t have had problems for returning it, if it didn’t met my expectations.

 

[palombian]

Kamera Express.be has a € 70 rebate on the CS2420, net € 559 free delivery.
Very tempting ...

 

[The Hat]

‘it has automatic calibration built-in’.. you need an external device for that (such as your Color Munki). The CG243 hasn’t got a built-ín calibrator on the lower side of the panel, like newer CG models,

I currently use an Eizo FlexScan AD 2441W and have done so for years and they do in fact auto calibrate, the screen will alter if the room lights vary up or down, the screen automatically changes to accommodate the new surrounding ambiance.

I used it for correct PMS colour reproduction for the commercial print trade but not for photos, but I’m sure it would work just as well for photo editing, the beast cost us about €1500..

 

[palombian]

The automatic calibration of the high end EIZO's is not necessary for me.
I calibrate my Flexscan also, with the difference this is done in the video card, while with the Coloredge it is in the monitor.
BTW I ordered the screen.

 

[Artur5]

I currently use an Eizo FlexScan AD 2441W and have done so for years and they do in fact auto calibrate, the screen will alter if the room lights vary up or down, the screen automatically changes to accommodate the new surrounding ambiance.

Sorry, but that's not what I'd call autocalibration. Your monitor has an external sensor to measure ambient light in order to change the brightness of the screen accordingly. Autocalibration means a monitor with a built-in colorimeter able to perform calibration and profiling by itself through the monitor's menu, without connecting to a computer. (although you can do it with the computer too )