CIS for Epson Artisan 700

[alternety]

I have an Artisan 800 and am trying to decide what to do about ink. I was leaning towards a refillable cartridge set, but I am now thinking more along the lines of cis. It is less messy and with an automatic resetting chip set, less attention needs to be payed to ink status. Using a link from this thread, I have looked at Ink Products.

I am left a bit confused after going through the site. Much is not explained. Perhaps someone with appropriate experience and help me understand. They tout a "piggy back" system as a good thing. Does anyone know what this actually entails and what the advantages/disadvantages are? Do they supply new cartridges or just reuse the original Epsons?

Are the cartridges in their cis a good refillable one as a starting point. Clear to see the level, no foam, better filter screen, other advantages/disadvantages?

Someone above liked their ink. Any other experience reports?

Anyone with experience with the cis product and has some feedback?

They specify that they will provide a link to software for resetting the pad full condition if you buy their pad drain kit (which looks rather primitive). Does anyone know if this software is valid and works on the Artisan 800? I get the feeling from other boards and posts, that no one actually has this software. There are a couple of prospects posted; but none actually reported as tested and functional.

As a side note, Epson claims it has no maintenance resetting software available. Dealing with Epson for the simple task of registering the printer is another long horror story that is not relevant to this thread.

 

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I am left a bit confused after going through the site. Much is not explained. Perhaps someone with appropriate experience and help me understand. They tout a "piggy back" system as a good thing. Does anyone know what this actually entails and what the advantages/disadvantages are? Do they supply new cartridges or just reuse the original Epsons?

Ok... looking at the images as much as anything else some input:

1. Their autoreset chips, like everyone elses, require a manual button press to get them to reset. Not much work but they don't just "do it" and leave you to print.

2. The spiel on the sales routine gives the distinct impression that they're using marketing patter without actually understanding what it means.

and special non siphoning ink bottles that help with ink draw back

WTF does that mean? Given that they have a standard mariotte bottle style reservoir they seem to be using jargon to make it sound more impressive.

3. They definitely do not use Epson originals but then I wouldn't for any Epson CIS as the cartridges are now designed with the idea of making that as impossible as they can so it's actually a good thing.

Are the cartridges in their cis a good refillable one as a starting point. Clear to see the level, no foam, better filter screen, other advantages/disadvantages?

Hard to tell but you can't really go too wrong with an Epson CIS... depends on the quality of the build... I'd be more concerned with support if something goes wrong.

Someone above liked their ink. Any other experience reports?

Anyone with experience with the cis product and has some feedback?

None with this company or their product... it is just another generic offering though...

They specify that they will provide a link to software for resetting the pad full condition if you buy their pad drain kit (which looks rather primitive). Does anyone know if this software is valid and works on the Artisan 800? I get the feeling from other boards and posts, that no one actually has this software. There are a couple of prospects posted; but none actually reported as tested and functional.

If such a reset utility existed I would hopefully know about it... To date none is available and believe me I look regularly because I could clean up with my waste ink kits if it did exist.

As a side note, Epson claims it has no maintenance resetting software available. Dealing with Epson for the simple task of registering the printer is another long horror story that is not relevant to this thread.

This is correct... It seems Epson have decided to stop offering any new model printers with any software to reset the waste ink counter. That may change but I queried this with Epson and they ignored the email.. I suspect, only direct legal action in the USA will change that...

I can say that there has been some success in getting the printers reset at some service centers for a small fee but it seems to be dependent on the service tech and center policy.



All this aside... I would personally recommend Rihac (yes, again ) purely and simply because most of the comments I've made about the inkcompany site and product are non issues with Rihac. Support is excellent, no jargon, clear instructions (that competitors regularly try to steal and convert) and no empty promises either..

Of course, I'm just one person but that guff about the reset utility... erm.. no...

Hope that helps.

Martin

 

[alternety]

Thanks websnail. I looked at the Rihac site. They actually use English; which is a good thing. The problem I have is the cost of their product (after $AU to $US conversion). It is way higher than others and no obvious basis. Most vendors, I suspect, use much the same sources of supply. And there is the issue of a different continent on the other side of the world. I am in the US.

I the cases when the auto-reset devices are described, everyone I have seen says they reset on at least power cycling.

Do you have any suggestions on where to buy a cis system? Perhaps as a simple buying of parts. Then a source of good ink. A good set of resettable cartridges with the right holes on top, good tanks, and some tubes.

I am having trouble finding real good answers to these things after many hours of searching.

I would like to buy one of your waste ink bags, but if I cannot reset the printer, is that useful?

 

[websnail]

Thanks websnail. I looked at the Rihac site. They actually use English; which is a good thing. The problem I have is the cost of their product (after $AU to $US conversion). It is way higher than others and no obvious basis.

That's probably because you don't actually see the documentation or use support before you purchase. I'm sure Sam would welcome advance queries though.

I know for a fact that various suppliers have stolen his documentation which, I also know from experience takes considerable time to create (it's incredibly thorough!). He also tests everything properly before a kit goes on the market. Case in point is the ARC chips on the Rihac model. There were various problems with the first batch that were sent back to be resolved. He found this out himself, not through his customers... I've lost count of the number of fleabay clone twits who flog kit for older models in the hope that it'll work then abandon clients when it doesn't.

Probably worth noting that an awful lot of people who sell CIS kits do so without a proper understanding of how they work and what's involved. Net result is very poor support... Sure, it keeps the costs down but if you hit a problem you pay in grey hairs

Most vendors, I suspect, use much the same sources of supply. And there is the issue of a different continent on the other side of the world. I am in the US.

There's a number of suppliers and you'll notice that kits vary subtly in terms of the reservoirs, the cartridge material, design, etc... but you have to have the kits in your hand to be able to do a proper comparison and obviously that's a bit late in the game.

I the cases when the auto-reset devices are described, everyone I have seen says they reset on at least power cycling.

I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure on that score but you could ask Rihac... My suspicion is that the button press routine is still required, even after a power cycle otherwise there wouldn't be a button on these kits... The button I'm referring to, by the way, is on a small raised bit of circuit board that pokes above the cartridges.

Do you have any suggestions on where to buy a cis system? Perhaps as a simple buying of parts. Then a source of good ink. A good set of resettable cartridges with the right holes on top, good tanks, and some tubes.

Honestly? Rihac... despite the cost, you get everything you could ever need. That said I'd buy an empty kit and purchase the ink separately. Shipping for heavy liquids is still high when you can source Image Specialists ink from Mikling in Canada or inksupply.com in the US.

I am having trouble finding real good answers to these things after many hours of searching.

I can imagine ...

I would like to buy one of your waste ink bags, but if I cannot reset the printer, is that useful?

Well, to be honest, as shown here:
http://www.wasteink.co.uk/waste-ink-mods/epson-artisan-800-mod/
... the 800/700 printers have the much more accessible pads so a service should not cost hundreds of dollars anymore.
Without the reset and given that your printer is probably still in warranty I'd suggest holding off at this point.

If you did have the reset then I'd probably recommend it as it means you're not facing the task of disassembling the CIS to take it to a service center to get it serviced.

The reset may well become available in the future so if one does, I'd say yes. But, this early on and still in warranty, I'd hold off for now.

Hope that helps... and just to return to the expense side of things... the saying "Buy cheap, pay twice" definitely does come into it with CIS's...

Good luck with the hunt...

Martin

 

[notmetoo]

Also worth noting that, as per usual, the chips are different for each country so an Artisan 800 FW kit is not going to work with a PX800FW printer. So, if you are buying a kit make sure that you specify and check that you are getting the correct chips right from the get go..

Hi, I am living in Japan and have the Japanese equivalent of the Artisan, only the next model up EPSON EP-901A Colorio (equ.Artisan 800/Stylus 800). I want to get a CISS for my printer, from the quote above I assume that the same rule applies with the chipset?

If I installed the Artisan or Stylus Printer Driver on my PC would that solve the issue with the Chipset or is it related to the printer firmware?

If any one knows of a supplier who will provide a EP-901A compatable CISS with an english website I would really appreciate a link. I am having a hard time trying to locate one in Japan that I can ask my questions in english. Simple questions like, Are the cartridges spongeless?

Thanks

 

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Hi, I am living in Japan and have the Japanese equivalent of the Artisan, only the next model up EPSON EP-901A Colorio (equ.Artisan 800/Stylus 800). I want to get a CISS for my printer, from the quote above I assume that the same rule applies with the chipset?

Correct... The EP-901A is a different printer but seems to be for a very small market so it MAY be compatible but probably not.

Best person I can think of to ask would be Sam at rihac.com.au as he has various systems available for TX, PX and Artisan printers... He may at least know of a Japanese source that can help.

Hope he can help more than I possibly could.

 

[notmetoo]

Thanks for the reply websnail. I have sent an email to Rihac and am waiting for a reply, being the weekend I do not expect a reply any time soon. In the mean time I will continue my search. I have discovered a website in Japanese that offers individual v5.0 Auto reset chips for the ink cartridges and also a CISS, a littlehard for me to understand the website, but with Google Translate I can painfully make a little sense from the site. I just wish that I could find out a more specific details on the System and cartridges. I will also try to contact them, if they do not reply then I guess no one there can speak english.
Auto Reset Chip http://www.daiko2001.co.jp/ink/product/epson/pro-v5ic50com.shtml
CISS http://www.daiko2001.co.jp/ink/cisu/cisu-ep50.shtml#801

Just for fun. They are also selling some interesting ink

http://www.daiko2001.co.jp/ink/product/product-top.shtml

 

[orlenz]

Espon Artisan 700 / 800 waste ink reset utility

There is a utility available now to reset the artisan 700 / 800 printers

make sure you follow the directions carefully, this is a powerfull utility.

I made my own waste ink tank, just bought a geneirc food storage container, and used a silicone IV tube my wife brought home from the hospital, works great and saved a lot of cash.

anyway here is the link to the utility with instructions

http://rapidshare.com/files/315937635/TX700W_by_OrTHoTaMiNe.rar

 

[drames]

I myself might have to make a special shim for the printer so that the lid stays off the tubes but other than that a easy install. If anyone has any questions about the install or the company feel free to pm me or something. A+ for everything.

Does the magnetic sensor have anything to do with detecting if the scanner lid is open or closed? I've tried to shim it without actually having a system and it looks like it may be a chore to accomplish if you can't fool the lid open sensor.

What's a shim, I just bought an 800 as well, and I really don't want to do any grinding like you have to do if you want the piano book style CISS that is shown on the youtube videos by leonardjohn.

 

[Leonardjohn]

Hi there

Actually the install method on my YouTube video is merely a suggestion, you can install the Piano Book CISS any one of 6 ways in the Artisan.

Removing the magnetic sensor and reattaching it to the inside of the sensor well, and then putting some sort of spacer "shim" something to stop the lid from pressing on the ink tubes.

I did not care for this method, that is why I install the CISS with the ink tubes running out the back of the printer.

If you email me direct I will send you a photo of the other install method.

Thanks
LJH