Canon to Release two new Printers

[The Hat]

Thank you for sharing your insight into how the inkjet works and yes I did understand what you meant in #22 by say what would happen if you changed the colour dots in a matrix.

I also know that these little inkjet printers are a wondrous marvel the way they create colours on paper and are not understood or appreciated by lots of very intelligent guys.

For someone who has work with colour on paper for years I still cant get enough of these printers their technology just fascinates me the way they utilise and blend the light (natural or unnatural) with ink to overwhelm the human eye is almost unbelievable.

Thank you again..

 

[Grandexp]

The OIG thing by Koichiro Kawaguchi from Canon may be a good study/research but have you wondered why MP980/990 got poor reviews by professionals and end users? I am one with a challenge attitude too especially toward something like OIG that is suspicious to be a marketing hype. If you believe in OIG strongly as an ink seller you will want to explain why. If you don't then don't blame people for not saying thank you or please.

There is nothing wrong to challenge posters who are also ink sellers. It is not the same as being with a negative attitude toward them. Ink sellers who participate in this forum deserve to be scrutinized for their posts with suspicious hidden marketing content. Just looked at the following thread and see how ghwellsjr discovered in post #5:
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=6467&p=1
If Mikling's ultra K black pigment ink went challenged people might be using it still today believing that they are using a special IS black pigment ink.

Not only we should challenge ink sellers we should also challenge hypes of manufacturers, especially Image Specialists, OCP, KMP, Inktec, Formulabs, HP, Canon, Epson and you name it. This is why people go to internet forums. From the forums you find truth and hypes.

 

[Grandexp]

What I desire from a good photo printer is having totally saturated bright red and stunning rich yellow that are never achievable from inkjet printers with dye based ink. By adding a grey and several levels of grey/black ink it will not or never make the red and yellow more saturated. There is no way the grey ink is a crucial element for printing color photos. Marketing is marketing. Marketing people's words are just that.

Let me try it again with the word "please". Mikling could you please explain why the grey ink is a crucial element fro printing color photos? I want my yellows and reds more saturated. How would the grey ink help me to achieve that? I know the grey ink helps my greys in my color photos. But I care about my colors far more than my greys in my color photos. I would like to know how the grey ink could magically make my colors more brilliant, vivid and saturated if it is truly a crucial element for printing color photos. I do care about my greys in some cases. But in most cases I care more about the colors when I print color photos.

 

[Grandexp]

Canon may have reengineered certain areas in 1 picoliter printheads to avoid having a greater tendancy to clog over 2 picoliter heads.

Keep in mind that ip4500 is a printer made much earlier than Pro9000 with 2 picoliter nozzles. If Canon indeed has a much improved design for 1 picoliter nozzles why the Pro9000 did not use the technology? In my opinion 1 picoliter nozzles are more pron to clogging for a simple reason. An 1 picoliter ink droplet is much easier to be cooked (burnt) by the heater element than a 2 picoliter ink drop let. A slight restriction to the ink flow can destroy the smaller ink drop let in the nozzles before leaving the nozzles to drop on the paper.

Of course I would be wrong if Canon has temperature sensors in the nozzles to prevent that from happening.

 

[Grandad35]

The OIG thing by Koichiro Kawaguchi from Canon may be a good study/research but have you wondered why MP980/990 got poor reviews by professionals and end users? I am one with a challenge attitude too especially toward something like OIG that is suspicious to be a marketing hype. If you believe in OIG strongly as an ink seller you will want to explain why. If you don't then don't blame people for not saying thank you or please.

There is nothing wrong to challenge posters who are also ink sellers. It is not the same as being with a negative attitude toward them. Ink sellers who participate in this forum deserve to be scrutinized for their posts with suspicious hidden marketing content.

I re-read Mikling's posts 22, 24 and 29 on this thread, and I can't see any "hidden marketing content" or any place where he was pushing the OIG technology. He didn't claim to be a proponent of the technology, only to point it out as food for thought for interested parties. It is important to make sure that you read and understand what was actually written by others before commenting.

Not only we should challenge ink sellers we should also challenge hypes of manufacturers, especially Image Specialists, OCP, KMP, Inktec, Formulabs, HP, Canon, Epson and you name it. This is why people go to internet forums. From the forums you find truth and hypes.

And you also find lots of things written by those who aren't qualified to comment on a subject.

For the record, this information could be applied to a host of people on this forum, who seem to take information, advice and insight for granted and forget that there is a cost in time, energy and effort to develop this knowledge and experience. Sometimes the commercial interests of the one with the knowledge help maintain that base of experience so even chucking in accusations about sales, marketing BS, etc... could do with a little better thinking through.

Well said!!!

During my working career, I remember several instances where we had to "fire the customer" because they just weren't worth the effort. Some of the comments in this thread brought back memories of those experiences.

 

[slocumeddie]

have you wondered why MP980/990 got poor reviews by professionals and end users?

A careful reading of all 23 reviews (takes 5 minutes), will disclose that many reviewers were pleased with the printer. The most common complaint mentioned was high ink consumption(not a top concern for us refillers).

If you own and have used this printer(ala MIKLING), then your comments have some validity. Otherwise, you are just blowing hot air...........uh, sorry.....I meant to say......giving your opinion.....

..... A reprint from 2011.......used with permission(my own)

 

[mikling]

Canon may have reengineered certain areas in 1 picoliter printheads to avoid having a greater tendancy to clog over 2 picoliter heads.

Keep in mind that ip4500 is a printer made much earlier than Pro9000 with 2 picoliter nozzles. If Canon indeed has a much improved design for 1 picoliter nozzles why the Pro9000 did not use the technology? In my opinion 1 picoliter nozzles are more pron to clogging for a simple reason. An 1 picoliter ink droplet is much easier to be cooked (burnt) by the heater element than a 2 picoliter ink drop let. A slight restriction to the ink flow can destroy the smaller ink drop let in the nozzles before leaving the nozzles to drop on the paper.

Of course I would be wrong if Canon has temperature sensors in the nozzles to prevent that from happening.

Grandexp..... I must point out something.

If you are up on the Pro9000 and well versed in the line of Canon printers and had read through the posts, you might have caught on that the Pro9000 printhead is dated MUCH earlier than the iP4500. This is a major faux pas and discloses much about the knowledge of the printer world. The printhead on the Pro9000 is the same as the printhead on the i9900 and iP8500. These used the BCI-6 cartridges which were the predecessors of the CLI-8. The iP4500 was the final iteration of the 4000 series printers put out by Canon before the CLI-8 cartridge was discontinued on new printers. So in fact the printhead on the iP45000 is dated MUCH later than what was on the Pro9000. I had also mentioned that briefly perusing the specs of the newest printers showed that the Pro-100 appeared to use the same printhead as that of the Pro9000 and maybe even the i9900. Recently about a month or so ago, grandad or someone else also indicated that there was a new part number for the Pro9000 printhead but the specs appeared to be the same. Whether it was constructed identically to the one it replaced, no one can determine except perhaps an engineer at Canon.

So grandexp, I am also waiting for your response to a question I posed much earlier in #15. What is your explanation?

I have stated so many times that I don't know WHY the gray inks when used with color printing creates, to my eyes, superior prints. Nobody is willing to stick their neck out. I saw it, and reported back that it appears that it does. The introduction of more printers that continue that trend should provide some food for thought. What more do you want of me? grandexp?? and tin ho. If you choose to believe me then fine. If not, then the demand that I explain why it appears so is wholly unreasonable. Is this a case of shoot the reporter if that person observes a phenomena and can't say what causes it. There is a credibility gap somewhere. Obviously food for thought is an undesired resource for some.

How can someone expect that I will/could divulge cutting edge technology and explain it to the layperson???? Heck, I'd teach Canon and Epson a thing or two and charge $1000 per hour. You think if I could do that, that I would even be refilling to save money myself??? get a grip guys.