Can We Beat this ink Monitoring ?

[Redbrickman]

Yes it is suppose to be great on B&W prints which I dont do much of, but I might give it a try and send one to Redbrickman just to ruffle his feathers a bit because hes always wanted a Pro 9500 for B&W.

No feathers left, but I am green with envy

Not sure how to describle that green, maybe a pantone chart is required, or shall just let the printer do one that looks OK on screen...

Will be interesting to see your first prints that's for sure.

Still hope to get the 9500 some day

 

[OutOFtheinkwell]

I also am thinking about the Canon Pro1 but also will wait till the counter chip fiasco is resolved. I have been using Epson printers but am very unhappy with their blatant insistence in building in obsolesce. I want to know exactly what Canon does regarding these practices, or doesn't do before shelling out a thousand dollars. If I find out for sure that Canon won't do what Epson does I'll go to Canon and Epson can keep their printers. I think it's a very dishonorable thing that Epson does by saying that warrantees are no good here if we install a CIS system while in other countries they are selling printers with their own CIS systems and selling the ink refill bags much cheaper. It must be making money for them right now but I think people are finally waking up and It's about time. And they have the gall to give you a reset code after jumping through hoops and then shut you down again after only 50 more prints. What a bad joke that is and insulting to the customer to boot! ( My two cents.) OutOF the inkwell!

 

[jackson]

Their attitude is similar to Sony raging about intellectual theft and piracy, then offering DVD burners with their name on them - oh and don't forget your Sony brand, blank, DVD's.

 

[jtoolman]

Every inkjet printer, I repeat, EVERY inkjet printer regardless of brand must collect waste ink in some way or another.
This ink has to go somewhere.
In the case of non pro printers ( usually 13" or smaller ), the waste ink is collected onto waste pads.
The amount of ink going into these pads MUST be monitored some way or Aunt Millie's printer will all of a sudden start leaking glops of ink from it's innards. Much to Aunt Millie's horror.
That is why they force you into stopping to continue to use the printer after it has deemed that a specific amount of waste ink has been collected.

It's is not a conspiracy by the printer companies. As much as we would like it to be.

Get a PRO level Epson and you will find that rather than a inaxcessible set of waste pads, they come equiped with a waste ink tank. You still have to replace the tank when it is deemed "FULL"
The printer will stop working ( No way to avoid that )
The "RESET" it done when you replace the waste ink tank with a fresh one.

There are ways around that as well.

So, is it an evil plan by the evil companies? Is it built in obsolence? Maybe partly.
But it's also the nature of the beast!

How to solve it? At least with Epsons with waste pads.
Run an external tank to collect ink.
When the waste ink counters ( NOT A CHIP ) reaches full, and your printer stops, reset the counter with a proper Adjustment Program
You are now good to go.
Your main counter will be reset to ZERO.
Your peripheral waster ink ( over spray when printing borderless ) counter will be reset to ZERO.

Keep on happily printing!

I just don't see what the big problem is!

 

[Tin Ho]

How do you handle customers who don't give you a hard copy to work from, expecting you to reproduce artwork displayed on their uncalibrated CRT?

We would always ask the customer to choose their colour under whichever light it was going to be displayed or used under
and explain the differences,

This is a problem every serious photographer and possibly every customer who gets the print faces. Every camera produces some colors CRT can not display. Every CRT displays some colors inkjet printers can not print. Everyone wants the print to match CRT and everyone wants CRT to match their source image. I know. Color management is produced to deal with this problem. But in a conference where I met an Adobe speaker I was told it is never possible to match the print to the CRT. It seems one of the the answers to this is you manage to manipulate the CRT to only display colors of the inkjet printer. That's fine but for sure the colors don't match that of my image from my camera. What's the point of doing that? I don't want exact match of colors. I just want my brilliant colors in my images to be printed in a way that look beautiful and natural. Honestly I an not sure I want to invest thousands of dollars and only get myself into the headache of color management stuff that everyone seems getting into. I am sure you have been challenged by your customers in this. BTW, what kind of business are you in, Hat? It is interesting to learn how it is dealt with by pros or businesses.

 

[The Hat]

Tin Ho
Honestly I an not sure I want to invest thousands of dollars and only get myself into the headache of color management stuff that everyone seems getting into. I am sure you have been challenged by your customers in this. BTW, what kind of business are you in, Hat? It is interesting to learn how it is dealt with by pros or businesses

I think I am one of few that dont bother calibrating their monitors at all, I just leave my leds screens on default and work away happily.

My LED screens are slightly different to one and other and it causes me no problems at all
because I am more interested in the colours I get on the paper not from the screen,
the same goes for the camera just shoot and print, if it needs a tweak then it gets one.

There are two types of prints done in commercial printing one on glossy paper and one on matte paper the same colour spot inks dont print the same colour on these two surfaces.

If you have a very fussy customer then they pay for the extra work and time it takes to alter them to print the same.
I used to run a Graphic Arts house with its own in house Litho and Digital printing. (Retired)

 

[rodbam]

I think the Hat specialises in adults only printing these days & the clarity is more important than matching the colours. His prints come in a plain brown paper bag too making it quite respectable looking

 

[stratman]

I think the Hat specialises in adults only printing these days & the clarity is more important than matching the colours. His prints come in a plain brown paper bag too making it quite respectable looking

Here I thought it was Chinese menus with the pictures of food that never quite match what comes out of the kitchen.

 

[The Hat]

rodbam I think the Hat specialises in adults only printing these days

stratman I thought it was Chinese menus with the pictures of food that never quite match what comes out of the kitchen.

I think you right because I have stopped honestly, printing for the local Kinder garden.
But I still have plenty of brown paper left to wrap my sushi & noodles in from the take away...

 

[stratman]

Mmm, sushi