Can i use Epson ink, in an HP printer, or are they too different.

[thanhhuy123]

However, I can think up a situation where it might be true that we can use the ink that is claimed "Epson Ink" in HP/Canon: because the seller knows that thermal printhead ink can be used in piezo printhead, and to reduce cost and expenses, they buy only CMKY ink for HP/Canon (for example, they only buy H0001...series of InkTec ink, which is for HP). So, that ink can be used for HP. That ink can be used for Canon. And that ink can be used for Epson as well! Let's ignore the color accuracy here to make things simple. So, by buying one set of thermal ink (either HP or Canon, whatever cheaper and more popular at the seller zone), the seller can claim that it's universal and can be used for Epson/Canon/HP/Brother/Lexmark. Surprise!

PS: In Vietnam, the situation is reversed. It means that the sellers sell Epson ink but claim that ink supports Epson/Canon/HP/Brother/Lexmark (the reason is simple: in the area, people use Epson a lot, so they can import Epson ink in mass with very low price. Because importing another series of ink for HP/Canon costs more, so they get evil by extracting Epson ink into small bottles and label it as ink for HP/Canon - see my thread here). Of course in this situation, using that ink in HP/Canon printer is gonna cost you a new printer.

 

[martin0reg]

...but I was testing that long time ago - Epson dye ink did not work in a Canon, but the other way around ...

I may have asked you this already: what happened while printing with piezo ink in the canon printer? No printing i.e. nozzles not firing OR bad printing i.e. missing colors OR damaged printhead?
I am just curious.
Might be interesting if you want to dilute C / M to LC / LM - what we are doing with the DL ink for epson 6 channel printers.
Because I have also an old canon S9000 6 channel printer. And if I want to use BCI-1411 ink, which I have only in C M Y K, I would have to dilute this canon ink... but the THINNER could not be the same as for epson because of the chemical properties...!?

 

[Ink stained Fingers]

with Epson ink in IP4200 cartridges it did not print, at all, no ink on the paper, but no damage to the printhead, I could continue printing with Canon ink. That's a good question for a suitable dilutant, I just would test it, it's not a question of chemical properties but physical properties, in this case the specific energy to vaporize the amount of ink which is in the nozzle chamber and heated by a resistive element there. Other properties like surface tension may influence the ejection of the ink droplets as well, or the ph value may not fit the needs for a Canon ink which are all parameters a user at home has no control over and no instruments to measure.

 

[martin0reg]

BTW..regarding the thinner for fuji DL:
I used to dilute with GLO not with nozzle cleaner. Just because GLO is made for printing, in other words for firing through the nozzles, while nozzle cleaner is not (it may work, I guess you are using it... but who knows..)
The GLO works fine with matte, but on glossy /semiglossy there is a kind of gloss differential from the GLO, which is NOT needed with dye and (so my understanding) which results in "additional" metallic gloss in those areas of the image where the light colors were printed.
So I ordered some "clear base"
https://www.inksupply.com/product-details/pn/PR-CLEARBASE-PT.html
Might be a bit of excessive care for diluting... but the first test prints out fine, no more metallic shine on glossy.
With my B&W set (five shades of gray out of fuji DL black) the thinner becomes even more important because the dilution ratios rise up over 90%...

 

[Ink stained Fingers]

o.k., it deviates from the original question of this thread, I'm still using the cleaner/thinner from octopus-office, it works for me with dye and pigment inks on some R265s and a Pro7600 printer, I tried it some time ago, because that stuff was there, it was not a deliberate search for such material, I don't have any side effects, no clogging, and I don't see other/more/stronger effects with pigment inks than before.
http://www.octopus-office.de/en/sho...olution-for-the-inside-of-printer-cartridges/
It does not refer to Canon or Epson specifically, it may print in a Canon or not.
But it's always good to know that there are alternatives available, and your test shows a benefit over the GO. I'm just using it for LM and LC mix ups, and B/W printing may be more demanding for such delutant.
I would assume that there is some 3rd party Canon Gloss/Chroma Optimizer on the market, that may work as well in other Canon printers, and as a thinner for your intentions, and with less visible effect with dye inks on glossy papers, the gloss is there, and dye inks don't have a gloss diff.
Update:
This thread just updates - there are 3rd party chroma optimizers available which may be suitable to thin your colors for use with Canon printers
http://www.printerknowledge.com/threads/chroma-optimizer.10097/#post-85880

 

[Nifty]

You can use Canon/HP/Epson type inks in all Epson's and Brother's (piezo), but for Canon/HP you will have to use Canon or HP types of ink (bubblejet). So Piezo print head based printers (Epson/Brother) can actually deal with most types of inks, as the print head doesn't boil the ink. Colors may be off, but that is another problem.

Digging up this old thread to see if this is still the case? I had a friend ask me this same question the other day.

 

[PeterBJ]

I'll say that the quote from pharmacist is still valid. We have got new printer models, but Epson (and Brother?) still use piezoelectric print heads, most other manufacturers use thermal print heads.

Some old Epson printers were converted to flatbed printers for Direct To Garment printing and for applying etch resist for Printed Circuit Board making. Only the piezoelectric print heads could handle the special inks needed for these purposes.

 

[pharmacist]

Digging up this old thread to see if this is still the case? I had a friend ask me this same question the other day.

Yes, I am actually now using pigment HP ink in my Canon IP7200 for the text black and it prints wonderfully well, without the slightest smudging or blurs (ink not feeding fast enough to the print head). The same HP ink I also use in my Epson WF-7525 printer for all the colours (CMYK).