Can Anyone Compare Canoscan 9000f Mk2 Compared To V600

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The dust/scratch removal with either FARE3 or ICE uses a second INFRARED scan after the white-light scan (with an infrared light source in the scanner LID) to detect the defects.

The IR scan is in both AFAIK the LID and the Bottom.

So why then it is advertised that FARE3 Removes dust from PRINTS?
Wasn't 9000F mark I advertised that it can remove defects from prints too? AFAIK it was. So why you say it would not work at all? Have you got any samples to show how good/bad it actually works, I read medium or high setting should be used.

Since you wish to remove defects from non-transparent (reflective) materials (photos and prints), neither scanner would work for dust/scratch removal in your application.

There is a review that shows ICE on V700 on photos, it works, but since the images so small I can't understand how good/bad.
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson V700/page_5.htm

BTW, since infrared will not penetrate silver deposits, B&W silver negative films cannot be scanned with either FARE3 or ICE dust/scratch removal. Only dye-based transparencies (E6 process) or color-negative films work.

Yes I know this, and I need this only for PRINTS, not transparency.

 

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I downloaded canon manual.

 

[turbguy]

With my 9000F, you are correct that the the option to remove dust/scratches in reflective mode is available. However, the scanner only scans ONCE with this box checked in reflective mode, no infrared is used at all. The software "guesses" what is a defect and what isn't, similar to software the removes hot pixels from digital images by looking at the bitmap and cloning hot spots based on an algorithm.

There are similar "solutions" in some current photo editor software packages. All of them require manual intervention to obtain the best results. And a pen and tablet work much faster for this than a mouse...

 

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What about EPSON, the ICE is IR too, so EPSON uses software only?
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson V700/page_5.htm

If only software is being used isn't that false advertising because they say that they use IR to fix the scratches and that it also works on photos.

Are there any software that I could try?

 

[turbguy]

FARE level 3 software is still being used, but not the IR hardware. So if you feel it is false, then perhaps it is...


Try: http://akvis.com/en/retoucher-tutorial/examples/boy-picture.php for a 10 day free trial.


or...just google "automatic retouching software" and take your pick. Be aware that some manual intervention may still be required...

Wayne

 

[turbguy]

Some background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_ICE

"Canon's FARE technology:

Canon's Film Automatic Retouching and Enhancement technology removes dust and scratch marks automatically from film scans using an infra-red process much like SilverFast's iSRD or Digital ICE.

Level 2 and 3 performs several automatic corrections. Fading Correction that restores hues and tints, transforming faded film originals into vivid color [sort of an auto-color and auto-levels correction]. Grain Correction removes grain from high ISO film [similar to noise removal software].

Level 3 also includes Backlight Correction to lighten dark subjects standing in front of a bright background."

 

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I send my question to Ed Hamrick, the creator of Vuescan software.

Hello, does these scanner use IR to remove
dust from reflective materials? They are
advertised that they can remove dust and scratches
from photos, prints etc.

Is removal done via software only?

Here is the reply:

ICE for transparency film uses an infrared lamp to
find where dust spots are located on film that uses
dyes. This works because film dyes look basically
grey in infrared light, and the dust spots show up
as dark spots.

ICE for flatbeds uses two normal lamps to scan the
paper twice. Since the lamps throw shadows at
different angles, anything that throws a shadow (like
a bit of dust or dirt) can be found due to the shadows
going in different directions.

VueScan only has infrared cleaning, and doesn't have
the algorithm for finding dust spots by scanning twice
with two different visible light lamps.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick

 

[turbguy]

There you go..FARE level 3 only scans once on the 9000F...

But, does your material have so much dust to throw shadows? If so, clean it.

Seems to me that might work well for dust spots on the glass/air surface closest to the lamp!

 

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But, does your material have so much dust to throw shadows? If so, clean it.

I was hoping for fix scratches, not dust (I clean before scanning).

I'm actually using Akvis tools too, I wondered are there another program like it.
Akvis works fine but crashes really bother me, sometimes it works for an hour, sometimes 15mintues etc.

 

[turbguy]

Crashes should be reported to the maker. There's a reason,such as bad video drivers and the like...


Again, google auto-retouching software and take your pick....