Monitor calibartion workflow with Gretagmacbeth (XRite)?

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OK, Now Gretagmacbeth had merged with XRite but anyway what is better for monitor profilling workflow their ProfileMaker 5 solution or EyeONE Match 3?

Here is the options programs provide looking forwad to hear some in the field experiences too:

PM5:

1. Measuring Stage

White Point: 4000; 4500; 5000; 5500; 6000; 6500; 7000; 7500; 8000; 8500; 9000; 9500; Paper White; Native White Point;
Gamma: 1; 1.1; 1.2; 1.3; 1.4; 1.5; 1.6; 1.7; 1.8; 1.9; 2.0; 2.1; 2.2; 2.3; 2.4; 2.5; 2.6; 2.7; 2.8; 2.9; 3.0
Brightness: 25%; 30%; 35%; 40%; 45%; 50%; 55%; 60%; 65%; 70%; 75; 80%; 85%; 90%; 95%; 100%
It can also be chaged later without remeasuring.

Monitor Type: LCD; CRT;

2. Profile creation

Profile Size: default; Large;
White Point: D50; D65; Measured white point.

EyeONE Match 3

Monitor Type: LCD; CRT; Laptop;
White Point: Warm White 5000K; 5500K; Medium White 6500; 7000K; Cool White 7500K; Native White Point; Custom allows to choose in Kelvin or to enter desired x/y values.
Gamma: 1.5; 1.6; 1.7; 1.8; 1.9; 2.0; 2.1; 2.2; 2.3; 2.4; 2.5; 2.6; 2.7; 2.8; 2.9; 3.0
Luminance: No Change; 80; 90; 100 - CRT Recommended; 110; 120 - LCD Recommended; 130; 140; Custom by entering desired cd/m2 values, also there is option for CRT, LCD selection.

 

[Grandad35]

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Both of the packages that you mentioned are fairly expensive and capable of much more than just calibrating displays. If you are just looking to calibrate displays, have you considered this less expensive device (http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU103-Eye-One-Display-2/dp/B000CR78CO)?

This review is a little dated and doesnt directly answer your question, but you may find it useful (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration_tools.htm). Note that the low cost device does a good job on monitors for a lot less money than a full blown spectrophotometer.

 

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Smile,

Both of the packages that you mentioned are fairly expensive and capable of much more than just calibrating displays. If you are just looking to calibrate displays, have you considered this less expensive device (http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU103-Eye-One-Display-2/dp/B000CR78CO)?

This review is a little dated and doesn’t directly answer your question, but you may find it useful (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration_tools.htm). Note that the low cost device does a good job on monitors for a lot less money than a full blown spectrophotometer.

Thanks for your quick reply Grandad35. I have allready bought the stuff so just looking for answers.


Well for start PM5 needs that stupid dongle to be plugged in to work, and if I go to client place I have to take the dongle with me. I rather leave it in my office computer so staff could use PM5 to generate profiles or etc. perform other tasks that colorimeter is not needed (like profile generation) but the dongle is required foor PM5 to work and I must take it with me to do monitor calibration for a client like i said.

Second PM5 is kind oblsolete in conparison with eyeone match 3, I mean Eyeonematch 3 can find the colorimeter automatically on screen, then when you adjust brightness and contrast Eyeone match 3 requires you to click "Measure" button to take exact measurement and makes sure that monitor menu brightness does fool with the colorimeter.

My usual workflow is that I create 1 profile for 100% brightness and accuracy and another for things like web browsing, word, excel office work etc. that can be not so bright because most of the time screen background is white and can be hard on theeyes. So like I said I do this on clients request but can't seem to get it how to make it wirh Eyeone match 3. I set the Luminance to 50 cd/m2 for example but I get 99.5-100 instead being reported during mesuring and that is true 100% brightness in other words. So how to make it adjust brightness like PM5. (If you don't know you first start MeasureTool set temperature like 6500K gamma 2.2 brightness 50%. then build the profile with ProfileMaker)

 

[on30trainman]

Grandad35,
I would be interested in picking your brain about the Pantone Eye-One Display 2. Do you have one, or something similar? I am looking for a device that I can use both with my LCD monitor and my LCD HDTV. In perusing the AV Science forum on TV calibration the Pantone Eye-One Display 2 is talked about in several threads. Looks like it might be the device for me. Monitor calibration with the included SW and TV calibration with some other softwares - one of which I have already. Would like to know your opinion. Since it isn't really totally printer related we might want to take any discussion off forum. Thanks,

Steve W.

 

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Grandad35,
I would be interested in picking your brain about the Pantone Eye-One Display 2. Do you have one, or something similar? I am looking for a device that I can use both with my LCD monitor and my LCD HDTV. In perusing the AV Science forum on TV calibration the Pantone Eye-One Display 2 is talked about in several threads. Looks like it might be the device for me. Monitor calibration with the included SW and TV calibration with some other softwares - one of which I have already. Would like to know your opinion. Since it isn't really totally printer related we might want to take any discussion off forum. Thanks,

Steve W.

Very intersting, I was looking for information how to calibrate TV's too. What software are you talking about ?

 

[on30trainman]

Very intersting, I was looking for information how to calibrate TV's too. What software are you talking about ?

I don't know that much about it - did a search on the AVS forums (http://www.avsforum.com/) in the Display Calibration forum using Pantone Eye-One Display 2 as the search term. There are several threads that came up. The softwares talked about were Get Grey, HCFR and Calman. I bought and have used Get Gray ($25) with my HDTV (Vizio VU42) in the visual mode - using a graphic on the TV and setting the TV controls by eye. Get Gray is an .iso file that you burn to a DVD and play on your TV through your DVD player. Does brightness, contrast, color and hue by eyeballing various pictures. It also can support a device like the Pantone. HCFR is freeware, which I downloaded but haven't installed yet. Don't know anything about Calman.
I am interested in getting a unit that can do both my Samsung LCD monitor and my HDTV, without having to buy expensive software to do either the monitor or TV. Think the supplied SW with the Display 2 should be OK for the monitor and Get Gray and HCFR for the TV. Going to do more research before buying the colorimeter device, but I think the Display 2 should be OK. Thinking that the Pantone Display LT and Huey/Huey Pro might not be adequate.
That is the extent of my knowledge so far.

Steve W.

 

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Very intersting, I was looking for information how to calibrate TV's too. What software are you talking about ?

I don't know that much about it - did a search on the AVS forums (http://www.avsforum.com/) in the Display Calibration forum using Pantone Eye-One Display 2 as the search term. There are several threads that came up. The softwares talked about were Get Grey, HCFR and Calman. I bought and have used Get Gray ($25) with my HDTV (Vizio VU42) in the visual mode - using a graphic on the TV and setting the TV controls by eye. Get Gray is an .iso file that you burn to a DVD and play on your TV through your DVD player. Does brightness, contrast, color and hue by eyeballing various pictures. It also can support a device like the Pantone. HCFR is freeware, which I downloaded but haven't installed yet. Don't know anything about Calman.
I am interested in getting a unit that can do both my Samsung LCD monitor and my HDTV, without having to buy expensive software to do either the monitor or TV. Think the supplied SW with the Display 2 should be OK for the monitor and Get Gray and HCFR for the TV. Going to do more research before buying the colorimeter device, but I think the Display 2 should be OK. Thinking that the Pantone Display LT and Huey/Huey Pro might not be adequate.
That is the extent of my knowledge so far.

Steve W.

Interesting, I'll see what does software can do too. Some time back I remember that having a neutral picture on you HDTV LCD or Plasma TV would require you to use a VIAEPIA mini ITX computer that has HDMI connection (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:....asp+HDTV+connection&hl=lt&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=lt)

And then you could install windows 2003 server tweak it a bit and you will have very fast enterntainment box or whatever you call it. Because it will be PC based you can have perfect colors using EyeONe Display or other colorimeter that fits you pocket $$.

Anyway PC based setup allows to play back all media possible no more unplayable CD's DVD'S due to codec errors etc.

The VIAEPIA mini PC is very small, noise free, and uses W60-80~ at peak the last time i checked, now they have dual core systems too.

 

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Update: someone suggested to adjust luminance by reducing contrast or brightness while in whitepoint adjustment window:

Here is my test made with Monitor validator to compare results and two monitor calibration softwares PM5 and Eyeone match3.

Your suggestion to lower the contrast when in Kelvin whitepoint windows to match the desired luminance is WRONG because you then get inacccurate profile at best.

That is why 1. adjust contrast
2. adjust brightness
3. color temperature (aka whitepoint, doesnt matter if using sliders or presets)

But that makes a 100% brightness wise monitor profile. And the only thing that Eyeone match 3 lets you select desired Luminance is for conparison only? I mean there is no control in the software to make my luminance 100 or 120 like recommended for LCD's because if you try to tangle with monitor Brightness and Contrast adjustments when Eyeone match 3 show you luminance in whitepoint adjustment windows you will damage your profile accuracy.

So any monitor guru out there please help me to understand why gretagmacbeth made this limitation is there a way to overcome it other than using PM5?

 

[Grandad35]

Grandad35,
I would be interested in picking your brain about the Pantone Eye-One Display 2. Do you have one, or something similar? I am looking for a device that I can use both with my LCD monitor and my LCD HDTV. In perusing the AV Science forum on TV calibration the Pantone Eye-One Display 2 is talked about in several threads. Looks like it might be the device for me. Monitor calibration with the included SW and TV calibration with some other softwares - one of which I have already. Would like to know your opinion. Since it isn't really totally printer related we might want to take any discussion off forum. Thanks,

I have the I1Photo package with a spectrophotometer that will create profiles for monitors, printers, etc. For monitors alone, the colorimeter in the Display 2 package does a good (some say better than a spectro) job at a far lower price. I have never heard of using these devices to calibrate a TV, but there is no reason that it wouldnt work, as long as the video feed is generated by a computer with a video card that supports the operating system writing to its LUT. There is also the not-so-small detail that very few programs perform the color conversion calculations required to display accurate colors (Photoshop is probably the best example of a program that DOES do this conversion).

I assume that you are looking to use your HDTV LCD as a big computer monitor. If you want to watch standard video content through the computer, how do you know what color space was used to encode the video data, even if you could find a program that handled the required video color mapping in real time?

Update: someone suggested to adjust luminance by reducing contrast or brightness while in whitepoint adjustment window:

But that makes a 100% brightness wise monitor profile. And the only thing that Eyeone match 3 lets you select desired Luminance is for conparison only? I mean there is no control in the software to make my luminance 100 or 120 like recommended for LCD's because if you try to tangle with monitor Brightness and Contrast adjustments when Eyeone match 3 show you luminance in whitepoint adjustment windows you will damage your profile accuracy.

So any monitor guru out there please help me to understand why gretagmacbeth made this limitation is there a way to overcome it other than using PM5?

On my system, the luminance for LCD displays is set with the Brightness adjustment when using the Advanced profiling mode (I also use the individual R/G/B adjustments to set the white point).

Color management isnt a simple subject to understand. One of the recognized reference texts on the subject is "Real World Color Management" by Bruce Fraser, in case you want to gain a thorough understanding of the subject. Here are a couple of links on monitor calibration for a starter.
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm
http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html

 

[on30trainman]

assume that you are looking to use your HDTV LCD as a big computer monitor. If you want to watch standard video content through the computer, how do you know what color space was used to encode the video data, even if you could find a program that handled the required video color mapping in real time?

Actually no, I don't want to use it as a large monitor - I just want the picture on my HDTV to be good. That is, good color balance, brightness, contrast and tint. There are several eyeball programs that get you started - THX that come on many Disney disks, Get Gray, DVE and others. But the results are subjective, depending on how good your eyes are and how results are interpreted. On the AVS forum there are some threads on using various colorimeters (such as Display 2) along with TV specific software packages to do TV calibrating. I had just been wondering if you had any experience in that area. Think I may purchase the Display 2 package and see where it gets me. Thanks,

Steve W.