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  1. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS 875-patch printer profile with i1Pro 2

    Looks like an ICC profile to me. i.e. run iccdump on it. It seems to be missing the .icc/.icm name extension is all.
  2. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS 875-patch printer profile with i1Pro 2

    Note that that is out of date. You just need to run ArgyllCMS_install_USB.exe that is located in the usb directory. No need to re-boot etc. See the instructions.
  3. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    Note that any difference in the profiles using -nI will show up only in the A2B0 and A2B2 tables. The theory is that Lightroom is using round trips through the A2B0 and B2A0 tables in its BPC heuristic.
  4. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    I don't think Gamutvision will show anything useful, since it has previously showed that existing ArgyllCMS profiles have a perfectly good perceptual intent black level. The problem reported seems to be mainly in Lightroom. So best if someone who has this problem re-create a profile with...
  5. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    Unknown. It depends on what exactly is wrong with Lightroom. Since I don't own Lightroom, someone with it will have to test.
  6. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    It is probably worth re-visiting this problem in Lightroom using a print profile created using ArgyllCMS V3.2.0 and the colorprof -nI option. This may be a work around to the Adobe bug.
  7. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    I can't reproduce any problems with Adobe Photoshop CS2 V9 BPC for Perceptual intent. BPC on or off makes no difference. So either this problem is specific to Lightroom, or Adobe have changed their BPC algorithm since Photoshop CS2.
  8. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    That's a mistake in my view. BPC is not ICC, and Perceptual intent is the one where the profile maker has the most discretion to manipulate the color, so it is the least safe for a BPC algorithm to make assumptions about how it behaves. The fact that the plots show that ArgyllCMS profiles give...
  9. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    I'm not seeing that from your plots. Colorimetric I can see that the Argyll black is slightly raised, but that is to be expected with an accurate colorimetric profile - the lowest L* black is not neutral, so you get minimum dE clipping, which has a worse L*. If the Calibrite profile is giving...
  10. Graeme Gill

    Colormunki/ArgyllCMS profile lacking dark tones (compared to ccStudio)

    Then I suggest that a customer of Adobe (i.e. someone who owns a copy of Lightroom) report the problem to them - I can't, since I'm not a customer! Or use some other software without this bug, instead of Lightroom to manage your printing color workflow. ArgyllCMS profiles match ICC...
  11. Graeme Gill

    Colormunki/ArgyllCMS profile lacking dark tones (compared to ccStudio)

    Except that it provides exactly that for perceptual rendering. Setup your perceptual table for your source colorspace, and it will attempt to map your black to the lowest possible neutralish black that the printer provides. (If I remember correctly) the previous discussion and investigation...
  12. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    Lightroom is broken then - either report the bug to Adobe, or use something else to print images. ArgyllCMS perceptual works perfectly well when used as intended - which is simply using it with the source profile it was created for, as per ICC expectations. BPC is not ICC spec. You'll get an...
  13. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    Simply don't do that. Don't invoke (some unknown implementation of BPC) on ArgyllCMS Perceptual intent. It was never intended that it be used with such a hack, and in fact was specifically intended to avoid the need for BPC ! The profile doesn't do anything - it's the BPC that raised the black...
  14. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    You mean full range of their colorspace. No printer will print L* = 0.
  15. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    I tried to reproduce this using LittleCMS's implementation of BPC, but couldn't. It works as expected, and gives the same (good) black as not using BPC when using Perceptual intent. Looking through the thread it's not clear to me what is implementing the BPC that is showing this problem (i.e...
  16. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    The colorimetric table seems to be pretty well behaved: icclu -ff -ir PX720_optimized.icm 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 [RGB] -> Lut -> 4.248098 -0.397643 -5.411831 [Lab] icclu -fb -ir PX720_optimized.icm 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 [Lab] -> Lut -> 0.102383 0.019198 0.000000 [RGB] icclu -ff -ir...
  17. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    Without being able to see the measurement data and know what the profile making workflow is (i.e. the options used to create the profile), I really can't say. The aim generally is to create the darkest black point possible. But the main limitation may be the neutrality of the lowest L* value...
  18. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    You need to choose the device space that is correct for the printer/workflow you are using. You can't profile any other way. If you have a choice between an RGB and CMYK workflow, then you need to decide whether you want to take control over the separation and ink limits (which takes more time...
  19. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    I'd be interested to know why that is. Could you email me the ArgyllCMS .ti3 file as well as the X-Rite .txt file of the measurement data, so I can take a look at it ?
  20. Graeme Gill

    ArgyllCMS profiles: Black Point Compensation gives composite black when checked

    ArgyllCMS perceptual profiles are intended to be created for a specific source colorspace. If you do that, you certainly wouldn't select BPC, since this may well mess up the overall mapping. (see https://www.argyllcms.com/doc/Scenarios.html#PP5 ). RBG has no black channel. You can't control the...
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